Fan Network - Why have you forsaken me?

[BRASSO]

Whatever the reason, DCI should have notified subscribers beforehand that some of the subscribers promised product offerings would be eliminated. No announcement to current subscribers such as ourselves of changes is inexcusable, imo. Hopefully, this is just a momentary change, and DCI will put these shows back, or offer proportional rebates ( or even a full refund option ) for the deleted products promised, but will not be delivered upon as part of the agreed purchase contract between the buyer and seller.

Edited December 19, 2014 by BRASSO

[N.E. Brigand]

I compared the Fan Network to DCI's Legacy DVDs to see what appears to have been removed.

These are the shows now absent from the Fan Network:

1999

6th -- Madison Scouts, "Selections from Jesus Christ Superstar"

1998

3rd -- Blue Devils, "One Hand, One Heart"

8th -- Phantom Regiment, "Songs from the Eternal City"

12th -- Colts, "A Cappella Celebration"

1997

1st -- Blue Devils, "As Time Goes By"

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, "Fog City Sketches"

1996

6th -- Madison Scouts, "A Drum Corps Fan's Dream Part Dos"

1995

2nd -- Cadets, "An American Quintet"

3rd -- Blue Devils, "Carpe Noctem"

1994

1st -- Blue Devils, "My Spanish Heart"

2nd -- Cadets, "West Side Story"

4th -- Cavaliers, "Rituals"

1993

9th -- Bluecoats, "Standards in Blue"

1992

(none)

1991

1st -- Star of Indiana, "Roman Images"

3rd -- Phantom Regiment, "Phantom Voices"

6th -- Cadets, "ABCs of Modern Music"

1990

1st -- Cadets, "A Bernstein Celebration"

12th -- Dutch Boy, (untitled, includes "Strangers in the Night" and "What Kind of Fool Am I")

1989

1st -- Santa Clara Vanguard, "Phantom of the Opera"

10th -- Freelancers, (untitled, music from "E.T." and "Empire of the Sun")

11th -- Velvet Knights, (untitled, includes "Sing Sing Sing" and "Round Midnight")

1988

2nd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, "Phantom of the Opera"

1987

7th -- Velvet Knights, "Magical Mystery Tour"

12th -- Sky Ryders, "West Side Story"

1986

1st -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Channel One Suite" and "Spanish Fantasy")

6th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Sweet Georgia Brown" and music from "The Color Purple")

7th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, Includes "Alex's Rag" and "Starlight Express")

8th -- Star of Indiana (untitled, includes music from "E.T." and "Star Wars")

10th -- Phantom Regiment (untitled, includes "Merlin the Musician" and "Resurrection Symphony")

1985

1st -- Cadets, (untitled, includes "Jeremiah Symphony" and "Make Our Garden Grow")

4th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "Ballet in Brass" and "Rhapsody in Blue")

11th -- Velvet Knights, (untitled, includes "Peter Gunn" and "Final Analysis")

1984

2nd -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Karn Evil 9" and "Like a Lover")

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard (untitled, includes "Fanfare and Allegro" and "On the Town")

5th -- Madison Scouts (untitled, includes "Ballet in Brass" and "Memory")

8th -- Cavaliers (untitled, includes "Don Juan" and "Pines of Rome")

1983

1st -- Cadets, (untitled, "Rocky Point Holiday" and selections from "Mass")

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "On the Town" and "Appalachian Spring")

5th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "Strawberry Soup" and "Memory")

9th -- Cavaliers, (untitled, includes "Jade" and "Pines of Rome")

1982

2nd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Capriccio Espagnole" and "Slava")

11th -- Cavaliers, (untitled, includes "Pines of Rome" and "Ai No Corrida")

1981

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Slava" and "Don't Cry for Me Argentina")

7th -- Bridgemen, (untitled, includes "Thunder and Blazes" and "In the Stone")

9th -- Crossmen, (untitled, includes "Spanish Fantasy" and "Rocky II")

10th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Old Man River" and "Blue Skies")

11th -- Troopers, (untitled, includes "Central Park" and "En Sueno")

(Video for this year has always been from DCI Midwest rather than Finals)

1980

1st -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "New York Fantasy" and "Pegasus")

3rd -- Bridgemen, (untitled, includes "Thunder and Blazes" and "Big Noise from Winnetka")

4th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Georgia on My Mind" and "Devil Went Down to Georgia")

7th -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Procession of the Nobles" and music from "Evita")

8th -- Crossmen, (untitled, includes "Spanish Fantasy" and music from "Superman")

11th -- North Star, (untitled, includes "Hot Consuelo" and "Still")

1979

4th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Georgia on My Mind" and "Let It Be Me")

6th -- Bridgemen, (untitled, includes "Spanish Dreams" and "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy")

9th -- North Star, (untitled, includes "Children of Sanchez" and "Good Vibrations")

10th -- Blue Stars, (untitled, includes "Birdland" and "Strike Up the Band")

1978

3rd -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Spanish Fantasy" and "Legend of the One-Eyed Sailor"

6th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Higher and Higher" and "Let It Be Me")

11th -- Guardsmen, (untitled, includes "Parade of the Wooden Soldiers" and "Celebration Suite")

1977

1st -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Channel One Suite" and "Spanish Fantasy")

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Appalachian Spring" and "Make Our Garden Grow")

5th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, music from "On the Town" and "West Side Story")

8th -- Seneca Optimists, (untitled, includes music from "West Side Story" and "Pippin")

10th -- Kilties, (untitled, includes "McDuffy's March" and music from "Jesus Christ Superstar")

12th -- Cadets, (untitled, includes "Rite of Spring" and "I Don't Know How to Love Him")

1976

2nd -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "MacArthur Park" and "Rhapsody in Blue")

9th -- Blue Stars, (untitled, includes "Jaws" and "Malaguena")

1975

1st -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "Slaughter on Tenth Avenue" and "The Way We Were")

8th -- Cavaliers, (untitled, includes "Russian Christmas Music" and "Somewhere")

12th -- Troopers, (untitled, includes "Tubular Bells" and music from "How the West Was Won")

1974

1st -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Candide" and "Send in the Clowns")

3rd -- Kingsmen, (untitled, includes "Dance at the Gym" and "Symphonie Fantastique")

(For this year, there were only three full performances (all from Pelims) on the DVD in the first place.)

[HockeyDad]

Guess I'll keep my legacy collection after all

[xandandl]

I guess the Legacy now has its own legacy but the Fan Network is now without the fans. How sad.

[Cappybara]

I compared the Fan Network to DCI's Legacy DVDs to see what appears to have been removed.

These are the shows now absent from the Fan Network:

1999

6th -- Madison Scouts, "Selections from Jesus Christ Superstar"

1998

3rd -- Blue Devils, "One Hand, One Heart"

8th -- Phantom Regiment, "Songs from the Eternal City"

12th -- Colts, "A Cappella Celebration"

1997

1st -- Blue Devils, "As Time Goes By"

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, "Fog City Sketches"

1996

6th -- Madison Scouts, "A Drum Corps Fan's Dream Part Dos"

1995

2nd -- Cadets, "An American Quintet"

3rd -- Blue Devils, "Carpe Noctem"

1994

1st -- Blue Devils, "My Spanish Heart"

2nd -- Cadets, "West Side Story"

4th -- Cavaliers, "Rituals"

1993

9th -- Bluecoats, "Standards in Blue"

1992

(none)

1991

1st -- Star of Indiana, "Roman Images"

3rd -- Phantom Regiment, "Phantom Voices"

6th -- Cadets, "ABCs of Modern Music"

1990

1st -- Cadets, "A Bernstein Celebration"

12th -- Dutch Boy, (untitled, includes "Strangers in the Night" and "What Kind of Fool Am I")

1989

1st -- Santa Clara Vanguard, "Phantom of the Opera"

10th -- Freelancers, (untitled, music from "E.T." and "Empire of the Sun")

11th -- Velvet Knights, (untitled, includes "Sing Sing Sing" and "Round Midnight")

1988

2nd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, "Phantom of the Opera"

1987

7th -- Velvet Knights, "Magical Mystery Tour"

12th -- Sky Ryders, "West Side Story"

1986

1st -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Channel One Suite" and "Spanish Fantasy")

6th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Sweet Georgia Brown" and music from "The Color Purple")

7th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, Includes "Alex's Rag" and "Starlight Express")

8th -- Star of Indiana (untitled, includes music from "E.T." and "Star Wars")

10th -- Phantom Regiment (untitled, includes "Merlin the Musician" and "Resurrection Symphony")

1985

1st -- Cadets, (untitled, includes "Jeremiah Symphony" and "Make Our Garden Grow")

4th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "Ballet in Brass" and "Rhapsody in Blue")

11th -- Velvet Knights, (untitled, includes "Peter Gunn" and "Final Analysis")

1984

2nd -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Karn Evil 9" and "Like a Lover")

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard (untitled, includes "Fanfare and Allegro" and "On the Town")

5th -- Madison Scouts (untitled, includes "Ballet in Brass" and "Memory")

8th -- Cavaliers (untitled, includes "Don Juan" and "Pines of Rome")

1983

1st -- Cadets, (untitled, "Rocky Point Holiday" and selections from "Mass")

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "On the Town" and "Appalachian Spring")

5th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "Strawberry Soup" and "Memory")

9th -- Cavaliers, (untitled, includes "Jade" and "Pines of Rome")

1982

2nd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Capriccio Espagnole" and "Slava")

11th -- Cavaliers, (untitled, includes "Pines of Rome" and "Ai No Corrida")

1981

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Slava" and "Don't Cry for Me Argentina")

7th -- Bridgemen, (untitled, includes "Thunder and Blazes" and "In the Stone")

9th -- Crossmen, (untitled, includes "Spanish Fantasy" and "Rocky II")

10th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Old Man River" and "Blue Skies")

11th -- Troopers, (untitled, includes "Central Park" and "En Sueno")

(Video for this year has always been from DCI Midwest rather than Finals)

1980

1st -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "New York Fantasy" and "Pegasus")

3rd -- Bridgemen, (untitled, includes "Thunder and Blazes" and "Big Noise from Winnetka")

4th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Georgia on My Mind" and "Devil Went Down to Georgia")

7th -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Procession of the Nobles" and music from "Evita")

8th -- Crossmen, (untitled, includes "Spanish Fantasy" and music from "Superman")

11th -- North Star, (untitled, includes "Hot Consuelo" and "Still")

1979

4th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Georgia on My Mind" and "Let It Be Me")

6th -- Bridgemen, (untitled, includes "Spanish Dreams" and "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy")

9th -- North Star, (untitled, includes "Children of Sanchez" and "Good Vibrations")

10th -- Blue Stars, (untitled, includes "Birdland" and "Strike Up the Band")

1978

3rd -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Spanish Fantasy" and "Legend of the One-Eyed Sailor"

6th -- Spirit of Atlanta, (untitled, includes "Higher and Higher" and "Let It Be Me")

11th -- Guardsmen, (untitled, includes "Parade of the Wooden Soldiers" and "Celebration Suite")

1977

1st -- Blue Devils, (untitled, includes "Channel One Suite" and "Spanish Fantasy")

3rd -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Appalachian Spring" and "Make Our Garden Grow")

5th -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, music from "On the Town" and "West Side Story")

8th -- Seneca Optimists, (untitled, includes music from "West Side Story" and "Pippin")

10th -- Kilties, (untitled, includes "McDuffy's March" and music from "Jesus Christ Superstar")

12th -- Cadets, (untitled, includes "Rite of Spring" and "I Don't Know How to Love Him")

1976

2nd -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "MacArthur Park" and "Rhapsody in Blue")

9th -- Blue Stars, (untitled, includes "Jaws" and "Malaguena")

1975

1st -- Madison Scouts, (untitled, includes "Slaughter on Tenth Avenue" and "The Way We Were")

8th -- Cavaliers, (untitled, includes "Russian Christmas Music" and "Somewhere")

12th -- Troopers, (untitled, includes "Tubular Bells" and music from "How the West Was Won")

1974

1st -- Santa Clara Vanguard, (untitled, includes "Candide" and "Send in the Clowns")

3rd -- Kingsmen, (untitled, includes "Dance at the Gym" and "Symphonie Fantastique")

(For this year, there were only three full performances (all from Pelims) on the DVD in the first place.)

Vanguard 1988 AND 1989 are gone!? Oh no they didn't...

[garfield]

Now if one bought a ticket to the show at a certain price which also allowed access to a certain tent for a "reception" during which "reception" there might be included the showing (re-reception?), well, uh, maybe...uh???

Oh goody, more creative ways to break the rules.

I need more targets on my back. Really I do.

But I like the (devious) way in which you think.

[N.E. Brigand]

Vanguard 1988 AND 1989 are gone!? Oh no they didn't.

Well, based on the the shows that have been removed, it appears that DCI was contacted by at least the license holders for music by Leonard Bernstein, Chick Corea, Ottorini Respighi, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and John Williams.

[tesmusic]

Well, based on the the shows that have been removed, it appears that DCI was contacted by at least the license holders for music by Leonard Bernstein, Chick Corea, Ottorini Respighi, Andrew Lloyd Webber, and John Williams.

Which shouldn't surprise anyone, since those composers/artists, either on their own, through the family, or rights holders have made changes that were not there when much of this music was originally used.

For example, in the fall of 2009, Bernstein's family made a complete overhaul of the usage of Mr. Bernstein's music which was not just intended for future use.

People can blame DCI all they want for not notifying them, but as is the case all the time with copyright, these issues come up at unexpected times, and in the case of many of these shows, long after initial usage rights were given.

Once again, copyrights and usage rights are not something that you obtain and never have to worry about or think about again, even if the recordings and performances, and arrangements are 40 years old. It's an area of law that is in perpetual motion.

[Cappybara]

Which shouldn't surprise anyone, since those composers/artists, either on their own, through the family, or rights holders have made changes that were not there when much of this music was originally used.

For example, in the fall of 2009, Bernstein's family made a complete overhaul of the usage of Mr. Bernstein's music which was not just intended for future use.

People can blame DCI all they want for not notifying them, but as is the case all the time with copyright, these issues come up at unexpected times, and in the case of many of these shows, long after initial usage rights were given.

Once again, copyrights and usage rights are not something that you obtain and never have to worry about or think about again, even if the recordings and performances, and arrangements are 40 years old. It's an area of law that is in perpetual motion.

Regardless, an email should have been sent upon removal of the videos.

[Jeff Ream]

seems to me DCI will be saying something after attorneys weigh in

Edited December 19, 2014 by Jeff Ream