George Dixon Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 The only time BD loses is if one of these two corps is on their game. Crown percussion 5th last year at finals didn't help and Cadets Guard 5th past year at finals didn't help them. We all know Guard is a much more valued caption now and a weak guard hits you in GE Viz, VP as well as the Guard caption. What's everyone's thoughts on who gets their weak link fixed for 2016 and why? Cadets fired their Guard team last month and Crown has made some nice additions to their percussion team. (I'll add Bloo into this discussion when they win a title maybe in 2016). Great question... I would say both corps should improve their "weakness" next season Cadets may have an advantage in that the top guard programs (other than BD and Crown the past 3 years) aren't quite as numerous and "entrenched" -- whereas Crown breaking through the SCV/Cadets/BD/Bluecoats etc percussion dominance is quite tough. 5th is tough - taking one of those others out is so hard. But (on the other hand) Crown has a years "heads start" to build upon... So.... ? Great question! Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxingfred Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Oh jeez,... here I was thinking we were confining our remarks here to just the DCI years of 1972 onward. In this silly extension of the timeline then, the Boston Crusaders ( and Troopers, as well ) have won more World Class Division National Title Championships than has Carolina Crown (or the Bluecoats) . But do you really then want to go back as well to the pre DCI years on this ? I think that would be pretty silly, frankly. Drum Corps didn't start in 1972 just like the NFL didn't start in that 1966-1970 Merge era or Basketball in 1976. Cadets and Cavaliers have more titles than the Blue Devils. Blue Devils are front runners now like Cavaliers and Cadets and SCV were years ago. Things change, maybe we'll see a Bluecoats or Crown era in the near future! Edited October 23, 2015 by boxingfred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Drum Corps didn't start in 1972 just like the NFL didn't start in that 1966-1970 Merge era or Basketball in 1976. Cadets and Cavaliers have more titles than the Blue Devils. Blue Devils are front runners now like Cavaliers and Cadets and SCV were years ago. Things change, maybe we'll see a Bluecoats or Crown era in the near future! Oh in that case then, the Lexington Militiamen Drum Corps have the most victories/ titles. More than the BD, Cavaliers, Cadets. They marched at Concord, Lexington, Williamsburg, Bunker Hill.. Later, they topped the Monarchs, the Kingsmen ( you know.... "George's" marching unit ?... no, not THAT " George ", silly ) the Royal Guardsmen, Royal Lancers, Regal Crownsmen, Imperials, a handful of Brigadiers, some Vanguards, Dukes, Empire Loyalists, Highlanders, Earls of Bucks, a company of General Putnam's Men, some Explorer Scouts, the Kings Regiment, a couple of Commodores, lots of Hussars, RedCoats, & Knickerbockers, about a dozen Lamplighters, and even a few assorted stray Vagabonds along the way on their tours. They always had a great snare line, rifle, sabre line, color guard. But I'm told their woolen uniforms itched like hell whenever they couldn't get to a school's shower stall along the way. But the Lexington Militamen Drum Corps have the most Titles, victories of any other Drum Corps. Well, at least the victories/ titles that count the most here in the USA anyway, now that we've decided here to go all the way back to before the pre DCI years now on this. Edited October 23, 2015 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoris4Jazz Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Drum Corps didn't start in 1972 just like the NFL didn't start in that 1966-1970 Merge era or Basketball in 1976. Cadets and Cavaliers have more titles than the Blue Devils. Blue Devils are front runners now like Cavaliers and Cadets and SCV were years ago. Things change, maybe we'll see a Bluecoats or Crown era in the near future! How about this as a compromise: modern drum corps, as a 100% artistic endeavor, started with DCI in '72. Until then, under the various AL and VFW rules, it was part military display and part art. Maybe we start at the point where you no longer had to go through inspection? Or, how about we start when marching over age members was no longer a common thing? Sometimes events happen that make a natural, obvious dividing point in things. The NFL-AFL and NBA-ABA mergers are perfect examples. The leagues that emerged from those mergers played a very different game than the NFL and NBA had prior to that. The passing game from the AFL took over offenses in the NFL. It made the game more exciting, it led to higher scoring, and it appealed to more fans. The post-ABA NBA featured a more wide-open game as well, with more scoring, showcasing better athletes and preparing the league for the Bird/Magic era. Relaxing the rigid rules from the AL/VFW days allowed more artistic freedom and opened up drum corps to new fans and new participants. You can't compare eras in drum corps, just like football or basketball... too many changes to the actual gameplay have happened to make that possible. There is the pre-DCI era and the DCI era. Blessed Sacrament won both VFW and AL titles in '58, but do they compare to the 2014 Blue Devils? No, because the activity was 95% different from one era to the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 How about this as a compromise: modern drum corps, as a 100% artistic endeavor, started with DCI in '72. Until then, under the various AL and VFW rules, it was part military display and part art. Maybe we start at the point where you no longer had to go through inspection? Or, how about we start when marching over age members was no longer a common thing? Sometimes events happen that make a natural, obvious dividing point in things. The NFL-AFL and NBA-ABA mergers are perfect examples. The leagues that emerged from those mergers played a very different game than the NFL and NBA had prior to that. The passing game from the AFL took over offenses in the NFL. It made the game more exciting, it led to higher scoring, and it appealed to more fans. The post-ABA NBA featured a more wide-open game as well, with more scoring, showcasing better athletes and preparing the league for the Bird/Magic era. Relaxing the rigid rules from the AL/VFW days allowed more artistic freedom and opened up drum corps to new fans and new participants. You can't compare eras in drum corps, just like football or basketball... too many changes to the actual gameplay have happened to make that possible. There is the pre-DCI era and the DCI era. Blessed Sacrament won both VFW and AL titles in '58, but do they compare to the 2014 Blue Devils? No, because the activity was 95% different from one era to the other. how about we talk about the topic at hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 But do you really then want to go back as well to the pre DCI years on this ? I think that would be pretty silly, frankly. It's no sillier than going back years before Crown was even a world class corps, let alone a title contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrontz Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Oh in that case then, the Lexington Militiamen Drum Corps have the most victories/ titles. More than the BD, Cavaliers, Cadets. They marched at Concord, Lexington, Williamsburg, Bunker Hill.. Later, they topped the Monarchs, the Kingsmen ( you know.... "George's" marching unit ?... no, not THAT " George ", silly ) the Royal Guardsmen, Royal Lancers, Regal Crownsmen, Imperials, a handful of Brigadiers, some Vanguards, Dukes, Empire Loyalists, Highlanders, Earls of Bucks, a company of General Putnam's Men, some Explorer Scouts, the Kings Regiment, a couple of Commodores, lots of Hussars, RedCoats, & Knickerbockers, about a dozen Lamplighters, and even a few assorted stray Vagabonds along the way on their tours. They always had a great snare line, rifle, sabre line, color guard. But I'm told their woolen uniforms itched like hell whenever they couldn't get to a school's shower stall along the way. But the Lexington Militamen Drum Corps have the most Titles, victories of any other Drum Corps. Well, at least the victories/ titles that count the most here in the USA anyway, now that we've decided here to go all the way back to before the pre DCI years now on this. Ah yes. I remember them losing their first show. It was an early season show, their home show on the Green. They came back that season, though. They were using an innovative style of movement and their rifles were smoking. When the announcer said, 'Is your corps ready?' the crowd would always yell: 'IN A MINUTE!!!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Ah yes. I remember them losing their first show. It was an early season show, their home show on the Green. They came back that season, though. They were using an innovative style of movement and their rifles were smoking. When the announcer said, 'Is your corps ready?' the crowd would always yell: 'IN A MINUTE!!!' That rifle line had balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 I first thought: Another thread derailed by BD-talk. It's like an ear-worm. Then I thought: How many corps other than the two mentioned in the thread's topic can we talk about? Jeesh. It started out OK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrontz Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 That rifle line had balls. Betsy Ross was on the visual design team. They debuted a new flag which became standard for the activity. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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