KVG_DC Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Death count +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 OC is definitely earning those music scores they got yesterday. If they can find a way to get their visual program locked down they'd be competing with Colts and BDB. I suggest they take it down a notch difficulty wise so they can polish. That said, one of the strongest constructed shows musically outside the top 12. Fantastic stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) If the top open class corps are going to be allowed to move up to World Class during Championships the reasoning for continuing to have 2 separate classes disappears. It would be unfair to the World Class corps that might miss the opportunity for a bigger slice of the financial pie if it happened due to being beaten by a corps that they had not competed against that year. The open class corps that moved up this year are great, but are basically very well funded feeder corps for their World Class parent corps. Edited August 12, 2016 by bluesman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Weren't Magic,Crown, and Xmen all under the umbrella of Yea for a short time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Holland Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 A really simple answer, in my opinion! The Open Class shows are generally easier to clean, because they're designed with much less complexity. That's not to say that they're at any given moment marching easier sets and playing easier music than their world class counterparts in the same tier (although I do think that is frequently the case), the designs are just a lot more straightforward to clean when you have less choreography, layering, and exposure. Guard work is generally more uniform, the corps proper is more often than not marching the drill as a unit (as opposed to this group of members doing choreography, this group marching one drill pattern, this group marching a counter-motion drill pattern, and another group standing still or doing lighter choreography during a feature), and musically, I generally don't notice as many interweaving lines, complex transitions meshing multiple pieces together, or wide dynamic ranges and musical nuance requests. A prime example of this was Crest immediately following SCVC...not much comparison in terms of show depth, and that's not an insult at all....SCVC's "The One" was a GORGEOUS, sparkly-clean open class, top notch design. And if they best Crest (they'll both be close to each other), it will be because SCVC was cleaner....content doesn't matter as much on the last day if you're not achieving it at a squeaky clean level. That's at least a good part of the answer to your question as to why Open Class groups zoom up in score at the end of the season. It's not just HOW they clean (and, in my opinion, Mandarins down through Pioneer don't generally know how to late-season clean their complicated stuff as well as the others above them, otherwise, well, they'd be placing up there!), but it's also that what they have to clean is much more straightforward to do so. Hope that helps! This is a great explanation. I would like to think that Open Class are used to having little time, and thus have figured out how to prioritize what the needs of the day are. The only thing separating them from World class is the financial ability to tour. I think Open Class understands how to design for its membership better than some of the lower world class corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 A really simple answer, in my opinion! The Open Class shows are generally easier to clean, because they're designed with much less complexity. That's not to say that they're at any given moment marching easier sets and playing easier music than their world class counterparts in the same tier (although I do think that is frequently the case), the designs are just a lot more straightforward to clean when you have less choreography, layering, and exposure. Guard work is generally more uniform, the corps proper is more often than not marching the drill as a unit (as opposed to this group of members doing choreography, this group marching one drill pattern, this group marching a counter-motion drill pattern, and another group standing still or doing lighter choreography during a feature), and musically, I generally don't notice as many interweaving lines, complex transitions meshing multiple pieces together, or wide dynamic ranges and musical nuance requests. A prime example of this was Crest immediately following SCVC...not much comparison in terms of show depth, and that's not an insult at all....SCVC's "The One" was a GORGEOUS, sparkly-clean open class, top notch design. And if they best Crest (they'll both be close to each other), it will be because SCVC was cleaner....content doesn't matter as much on the last day if you're not achieving it at a squeaky clean level. That's at least a good part of the answer to your question as to why Open Class groups zoom up in score at the end of the season. It's not just HOW they clean (and, in my opinion, Mandarins down through Pioneer don't generally know how to late-season clean their complicated stuff as well as the others above them, otherwise, well, they'd be placing up there!), but it's also that what they have to clean is much more straightforward to do so. Hope that helps! Plus Open Class corps are allowed to have shorter in length shows----8 minute minimum (if I recall correctly--vrs 10 minute minimum for World Class). In short, 2 minutes less of show to clean if an Open Class corps utilizes the shorter show option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Holland Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Weren't Magic,Crown, and Xmen all under the umbrella of Yea for a short time? as was the sunrisers. i think they found they were funding a group up above them as opposed to gaining much from the umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 A really simple answer, in my opinion! The Open Class shows are generally easier to clean, because they're designed with much less complexity. That's not to say that they're at any given moment marching easier sets and playing easier music than their world class counterparts in the same tier (although I do think that is frequently the case), the designs are just a lot more straightforward to clean when you have less choreography, layering, and exposure. Guard work is generally more uniform, the corps proper is more often than not marching the drill as a unit (as opposed to this group of members doing choreography, this group marching one drill pattern, this group marching a counter-motion drill pattern, and another group standing still or doing lighter choreography during a feature), and musically, I generally don't notice as many interweaving lines, complex transitions meshing multiple pieces together, or wide dynamic ranges and musical nuance requests. A prime example of this was Crest immediately following SCVC...not much comparison in terms of show depth, and that's not an insult at all....SCVC's "The One" was a GORGEOUS, sparkly-clean open class, top notch design. And if they best Crest (they'll both be close to each other), it will be because SCVC was cleaner....content doesn't matter as much on the last day if you're not achieving it at a squeaky clean level. That's at least a good part of the answer to your question as to why Open Class groups zoom up in score at the end of the season. It's not just HOW they clean (and, in my opinion, Mandarins down through Pioneer don't generally know how to late-season clean their complicated stuff as well as the others above them, otherwise, well, they'd be placing up there!), but it's also that what they have to clean is much more straightforward to do so. Hope that helps! I have some to add on top of that. In short, when BDB and SCVC perform at their early shows, that's more pre tour. Show is on the field and really dirty. Gives them a chance to perform. Around early to mid July they have VERY minimal amounts of shows where they basically just camp out and clean clean clean, kind of Spring Training part two. And that's why boom, along with show construction that you discussed, they are suddenly magically cleaner and really good. When we see them early on they are not too ready. Then they get those few weeks in July before they start their little week and a half tour of shows in early August before prelims and they are in their true form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Love that woodblock from the pit as the Mandarins start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Holland Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 If the top ofopen class corps are going to be allowed to move up to World Class during Championships the reasoning for continuing to have 2 separate classes disappears. It would be unfair to the World Class corps that might miss the opportunity for a bigger slice of the financial pie if it happened due to being beaten by a corps that they had not competed against that year. The open class corps that moved up this year are great, but are basically very well funded feeder corps for their World Class parent corps. see. but if they stay open class, they choose to have less payout, no voting at board meetings, and no payouts at OC shows. if it makes financial sense to stay in Open Class, its not their fault that the others can't design or clean a show to stay in the hunt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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