JimF-LowBari Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, garfield said: Fixed those for you. I'm curious if you were always under the mistaken impression that DCI's command and control functions were more expansive than they really are. To me DCI is under the mistaken impression that now they have something in writing everything will be cool. Which lasted until "keep it in the Corps" came up with Pioneet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, BigW said: I heard the reason was that they were just updating Heywood's Bio page and wanted to mention his recent collaboration with WGI Percussion guru Hugh Jass. Don't knock Hugh. He's widely respected for his ability to get to the bottom of things. A guy like that can make a big impression when it comes to putting butts in the seats. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, karuna said: Look up mandated reporter. I suspect every staff member, director, and DCI event staffer ALL qualify. As for hiding their head and saying "they wouldn't let us do anything", guess what? They can (and probably had a duty to) report to appropriate authorities if they suspect abuse of a minor. No one is buying the "I was powerless to act" nonsense. They had a duty to report suspected abuse. They failed. They need to go. "A mandated reporter is a person who, because of his or her profession, is legally required to report any suspicion of child abuse or neglect to the relevant authorities." Your presumption is that they knew something verifiable. You need proof to make a claim that DCI staff had suspicion of child abuse that they did not report. You're speaking for everyone? I know LOTS of people who understand how DCI was structured - and what power DCI had - when abuses supposedly happened. Edited November 2, 2018 by garfield 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewToPosting Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Having a few days to think about this more, I think what Acheson did was even more of a mistake than I originally thought. Originally, it was just a really bad PR move to break the news like this (mainly because you can't control it). However, now I see it a different way. Acheson made the biggest mistake that any leader dealing with a crisis like this can do: he tried to shut down the conversation. A leader would say, "bring it on, let's find out what's actually going on and learn from it so we can stop it". I wish he had done that. I wish he had said, we need to organize some discussions for everyone: directors, staffs, members, parents and we all need to come to the table prepared to discuss ways we as an activity can overcome this to make it a better experience. Sunlight is the best antiseptic and is so needed now. Other organizations who took similar approaches ("we're doing enough!") went through multiple changes in leadership before figuring it out. There are case studies on this stuff. Don't shut down the conversation! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, karuna said: If Dan can’t face the press and answer questions honestly and thoroughly he needs to go. Same for all the rest of the old guard. They are all hurting the activity. And that applies to band, guard , and drum line world as well. If you suspect abuse or misconduct you have a duty to report it. You don’t need legal proof; you just need a reasonable suspicion. Doing nothing is not ok. You seem to have a strong suspicion that Dan is not answering honestly and thoroughly. Please define "Old Guard". Is there an age associated? Years of experience? If Dan A never witnessed or was informed of abuse, how, exactly, was he required to report a suspicion he didn't have? You seem to have a bone of contention with all of DCI, band, and indoor leadership, staff, and maybe even volunteers. Is there ANYONE who's been involved with marching arts for more than a year who is acceptable to you? How far will you cast the net and gut the activity until the pitchfork tines are too dull to strike down whatever "Old Guard" is left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, skevinp said: Don't knock Hugh. He's widely respected for his ability to get to the bottom of things. A guy like that can make a big impression when it comes to putting butts in the seats. I'd never knock Hugh, man. He's gonna get a few Sanford awards eventually. His percussion Front Ensembles know how to shake it! The real speculation to me is whether drill designer I.P. Freely is gonna get picked up by some DCI corps. Loved his 2009 "The River Flows" show he did for BoA Grand National finalist Belchville Golden Sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NewToPosting said: Having a few days to think about this more, I think what Acheson did was even more of a mistake than I originally thought. Originally, it was just a really bad PR move to break the news like this (mainly because you can't control it). However, now I see it a different way. Acheson made the biggest mistake that any leader dealing with a crisis like this can do: he tried to shut down the conversation. A leader would say, "bring it on, let's find out what's actually going on and learn from it so we can stop it". I wish he had done that. I wish he had said, we need to organize some discussions for everyone: directors, staffs, members, parents and we all need to come to the table prepared to discuss ways we as an activity can overcome this to make it a better experience. Sunlight is the best antiseptic and is so needed now. Other organizations who took similar approaches ("we're doing enough!") went through multiple changes in leadership before figuring it out. There are case studies on this stuff. Don't shut down the conversation! The only justification for his statement is to attempt cover his petootie. That is NOT the act of a leader. It's the act of someone with something to hide. He's single-handedly bringing drum corps down. I don't really care if he's a nice guy or he meant well (both of which are apparently true). He's doing harm to the activity. Someone should tell him. Throwing blood in the water is just bringing more sharks. The press will never let this story die so long as his message is "we're all better now but we're not going to talk about what we knew and when we knew it because that would be bad". Sponsors will step away. Schools are already refusing housing based on this ongoing news story. Parents will refuse to let their kids go on tour. Very easy to foresee the consequences this strategy will bring. Edited November 2, 2018 by karuna 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, garfield said: You seem to have a strong suspicion that Dan is not answering honestly and thoroughly. It's not a suspicion. It's a fact. He's refused to speak to the press at all. Get your head out of the sand. https://twitter.com/TriciaNadolny/status/1057702541423710208 Edited November 2, 2018 by karuna 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewToPosting said: Having a few days to think about this more, I think what Acheson did was even more of a mistake than I originally thought. Originally, it was just a really bad PR move to break the news like this (mainly because you can't control it). However, now I see it a different way. Acheson made the biggest mistake that any leader dealing with a crisis like this can do: he tried to shut down the conversation. A leader would say, "bring it on, let's find out what's actually going on and learn from it so we can stop it". I wish he had done that. I wish he had said, we need to organize some discussions for everyone: directors, staffs, members, parents and we all need to come to the table prepared to discuss ways we as an activity can overcome this to make it a better experience. Sunlight is the best antiseptic and is so needed now. Other organizations who took similar approaches ("we're doing enough!") went through multiple changes in leadership before figuring it out. There are case studies on this stuff. Don't shut down the conversation! Someone else said it here prior: First, they held back until they had a scrubbed message, and they were blamed for being slow to address. Now, they attempt to get out front and iterate what P&P have been put in place, and they're accused of trying to shut down the discussion when nothing at all indicates that as a truism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, karuna said: Look up mandated reporter. I suspect every staff member, director, and DCI event staffer ALL qualify. As for hiding their head and saying "they wouldn't let us do anything", guess what? They can (and probably had a duty to) report to appropriate authorities if they suspect abuse of a minor. No one is buying the "I was powerless to act" nonsense. They had a duty to report suspected abuse. They failed. They need to go. In many states failing to report is a crime. Failing to report when abuse is actually proven is often a felony. So if I hear some ninth-hand rumor about someone who rubs me the wrong way, such that I think it is possible (but I am nowhere near the ability to ever prove anything), I am obligated to report it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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