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Just now, HolyNOLA said:

Wow. Communist much? 

The marching members' financial situation is of absolutely no concern to any drum corps staff. 

it is when they apply for scholarships, sponsorships, and deducted fees. Haven't been around DCI much in recent years? All corps now use Corps Data program where such info is part of how corps collect and assesss tour fees. Do your research.

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Knew a couple guys in DCA that could perfectly fit a cigarette into the third valve slide during warm ups...would have to remind the to put it out before heading on the field.

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17 minutes ago, Sideways said:

Knew a couple guys in DCA that could perfectly fit a cigarette into the third valve slide during warm ups...would have to remind the to put it out before heading on the field.

I seem to remember that LOL. Possibly some cats from Renegades but my memory is...foggy....

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22 minutes ago, Sideways said:

Knew a couple guys in DCA that could perfectly fit a cigarette into the third valve slide during warm ups...would have to remind the to put it out before heading on the field.

I saw them do that on v/r horns. 

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40 minutes ago, xandandl said:

it is when they apply for scholarships, sponsorships, and deducted fees. Haven't been around DCI much in recent years? All corps now use Corps Data program where such info is part of how corps collect and assesss tour fees. Do your research.

I paid full fees. If a kid pays full fees there is absolutely no reason why they should be given even higher fees just because they are wealthy. Take that Stalin attitude elsewhere. 

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52 minutes ago, xandandl said:

If mms have $ to do cigarettes or other drugs/pills/weed/drink on tour, ST, or during winter camp season, admins should no longer have any reservations which have caused many  pulling one's hair out for ways to prevent upping tour fees.

Such mms, suffering from these addictive personality behaviors, are as duplicitous as the kid I made the mistake of sponsoring last summer who begged monies on tour for expenses, only for me to learn during the same tour he was saving for his Christmas vacation with a trip to Germany; he boasted it to his section mates who let me know what was really going on. Then he hid behind his corps director when the duped sponsors..the sacrificing senior citizens on limited incomes wanted their monies back or to go to a more honest mm. Never again. 

I'm personally confused by this statement. If someone doesn't want to sponsor a member because they're a smoker, then that's a choice you make. That I'm aware of, I've never encountered a form on corpsdata or otherwise where "are you a smoke yes/no" was asked. To say that MM's who smoke are "duplicitous" seems a stretch in general terms at best. How are members who smoke being deceitful? 

I get it. You don't like smokers (especially as you put them in the same category as illegal drugs,) and that's your prerogative. But at least in my reading of what you state here, it appears that you are bulking all MM's who smoke into a default category of your own creation. That would be like me bulking gun owners into a default category because some decide to shoot people. Granted, I'm a smoker AND I own a gun so I guess that makes me a deceitful shooter of other people if I follow my own logic path.

Now perhaps that's not what was meant and you and I have never been at odds on any post so please, correct me if I'm wrong. It just seems a bit of an overreach is all. 

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14 minutes ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:

I'm personally confused by this statement. If someone doesn't want to sponsor a member because they're a smoker, then that's a choice you make. That I'm aware of, I've never encountered a form on corpsdata or otherwise where "are you a smoke yes/no" was asked. To say that MM's who smoke are "duplicitous" seems a stretch in general terms at best. How are members who smoke being deceitful? 

I get it. You don't like smokers (especially as you put them in the same category as illegal drugs,) and that's your prerogative. But at least in my reading of what you state here, it appears that you are bulking all MM's who smoke into a default category of your own creation. That would be like me bulking gun owners into a default category because some decide to shoot people. Granted, I'm a smoker AND I own a gun so I guess that makes me a deceitful shooter of other people if I follow my own logic path.

Now perhaps that's not what was meant and you and I have never been at odds on any post so please, correct me if I'm wrong. It just seems a bit of an overreach is all. 

My last comment on this.

I do know of corps (plural) who have asked during auditions whether individual brass players for example smoke...the presumption perhaps that the perspective mm might not be able to fulfill the physical demand of a fully playing, fully marching 220 bpm program when the corps was scheduled to perform at Rocky Mt. elevations.  But that's when corps still marched and simultaneously played and not stood around or being pushed by people on props in the flatlands of Texas.

My point simply is that corps admins and volunteers break their backs to raise monies to fund corps believing mms don't have sufficient monies for basics. Addictive behaviors (smoking, drinking, drugs) cost monies and at best are luxuries and at worse activities which violate mms health; sometimes they are also illegal. If mms can afford these detriments even if only seen as luxuries, the corps should not fluster over raising the monies.  One corps even restricted cell phone use when the mms were losing focus texting, not dealing with corps mates, and getting lost in pornography and other outside activities the cell phones made too available. 

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9 minutes ago, xandandl said:

My last comment on this.

I do know of corps (plural) who have asked during auditions whether individual brass players for example smoke...the presumption perhaps that the perspective mm might not be able to fulfill the physical demand of a fully playing, fully marching 220 bpm program when the corps was scheduled to perform at Rocky Mt. elevations.  But that's when corps still marched and simultaneously played and not stood around or being pushed by people on props in the flatlands of Texas.

My point simply is that corps admins and volunteers break their backs to raise monies to fund corps believing mms don't have sufficient monies for basics. Addictive behaviors (smoking, drinking, drugs) cost monies and at best are luxuries and at worse activities which violate mms health; sometimes they are also illegal. If mms can afford these detriments even if only seen as luxuries, the corps should not fluster over raising the monies.  One corps even restricted cell phone use when the mms were losing focus texting, not dealing with corps mates, and getting lost in pornography and other outside activities the cell phones made too available. 

Thank you for your feedback and for clarifying your stance. 

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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:

I saw them do that on v/r horns. 

Heard of 60s/early 70s stores where a corps had a non horn player filling in a spot. Would put a cig filter in the mouthpiece shaft just in case the non player got cocky and tried to play.

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18 hours ago, Tim K said:

So isn’t marching with a corps. In mentioning this I am not saying it’s a good idea for a corps to ban smoking, but marching in a corps is a privilege. 

 

18 hours ago, HolyNOLA said:

I wouldn't go that far. You're giving the corps a lot of money to march. 

Marching in a corps is a privilege.  The cost of marching is a fraction of what the actual per member expense is.

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