greg_orangecounty Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I am familiar with this type of shock, pain and feel particularly sad for the kids that would have aged-out this year. When the Kingsmen folded SCV, BD too, were gracious and gave many of us a new home. I hope other corps now return the favor and do the same for the SCV kids starting with the age-outs. No person, organization, or country, can spend beyond their means. At some point reality catches up and if this isn't a wake-up call for the activity to lower costs nothing will. Listen to the bean counters, not the "pageantry leaches", but it's probably too late now. Lastly, in 2022 when Indian "gaming" casinos are literally everywhere in California and it's legal to play Bingo online for money, how could SCV rely on the same revenue streams as used in 1972? I don't get that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) . Edited June 13, 2023 by scheherazadesghost 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillis35 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 11 hours ago, seinphan said: You clearly have an axe to grind with the Rennick's, so I'm gonna let you grind it (if that makes you feel better). I don't think this whole thing can be laid at any designer or staff members feet, nor can it be laid at any one directors feet. I think that each of the last 5 directors walked into a worse situation than the previous one did and it finally became too much to fix. But, hey, let's blame the Rennick's and the pile of trophies they brought to SCV. Totally agree. The instructors SCV had did a fabulous job of designing and teaching. That was their job. If the issue was what SCV was paying for staff and other things...well that is on management and not the instructors. I honestly do not know what any of the instructors were making. In general I think many feel that there has been a sort of arms race when it comes to staff pay (activity wide). All the other bells and whistles when it comes to show design and travel have added to the costs, but exactly where SCV falls in this "sea" of expenses is difficult to answer. Once a corps goes into debt they have to make tough decisions. With each year of increasing debt those decisions become even more difficult. As you stated above this may have been going on for a while and with each passing year the debt grew and management were presented with greater challenges. I can certainly speculate about what I think may have happened but in the end I have no clue. I'm just sad that there will be no SCV this summer. Crossing my fingers they can get out of this financial hole they are in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) . Edited June 13, 2023 by scheherazadesghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Every now and then, a show comes along and the first time you see it, you know it’s got the IT factor. Babylon is one of those “IT” shows. One of the GOAT’s! Take 12 minutes and enjoy what they did in 2018! Edited December 15, 2022 by drumcorpsfever 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 6 hours ago, AzEuph said: From my experience seeing alum post on different social sites, BD alum have always been by far the most supportive of each other I’ve ever seen. I think they all acknowledge the goal of winning and as long as BD is still winning then that’s cool. I’ve heard good things about their culture being competitive and supportive. Once you’re in, you’re in. I dunno, I meet 27 alums, and we just drink and laugh. #oncealanceralwaysalancer , but I see your point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 8 hours ago, DFA1970 said: Very good point...and how transparent if the financial situation is dire. I say this because SCV was doing auditions up until the new broke. Rumors of trouble at SCV and low morale were rampant last summer. These rumors were a big reason why some believed SCV was not in the top 3 last year. Talk of financial problems is not new either. I will admit to being surprised SCV would not field a corps this summer though I was not shocked. I would not be too shocked if I heard SCV believed it would field a corps this summer until the announcement was made. Denial is real, so too is believing the crisis will pass, especially when past problems have passed. It is possible they planned on getting a line of credit to fund the season and the credit was denied. In 2012 that’s what some claimed happened to Glassmen. One of the most dangerous things some non profits do is take out loans to cover operating expenses. It allows bills to be paid in the short term but the interest only adds to the debt. As far as transparency is concerned, I don’t think holding auditions if they believed in good faith that they would be able to come up with a solution is a problem. If they knew they would not compete and still held auditions, that’s a different matter. I do think they could have shared more of their issues when they announced SCVC would not compete in 2023. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 We may all have grievances or theories, but I encourage us all to listen to our youngest alum first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tim K said: Rumors of trouble at SCV and low morale were rampant last summer. These rumors were a big reason why some believed SCV was not in the top 3 last year. Talk of financial problems is not new either. I will admit to being surprised SCV would not field a corps this summer though I was not shocked. I would not be too shocked if I heard SCV believed it would field a corps this summer until the announcement was made. Denial is real, so too is believing the crisis will pass, especially when past problems have passed. It is possible they planned on getting a line of credit to fund the season and the credit was denied. In 2012 that’s what some claimed happened to Glassmen. One of the most dangerous things some non profits do is take out loans to cover operating expenses. It allows bills to be paid in the short term but the interest only adds to the debt. As far as transparency is concerned, I don’t think holding auditions if they believed in good faith that they would be able to come up with a solution is a problem. If they knew they would not compete and still held auditions, that’s a different matter. I do think they could have shared more of their issues when they announced SCVC would not compete in 2023. Many corps, believe it or not, do not have audited financials.This would find it difficult for a corps to obtain a loan or LOC Last I’m aware, audited financials are not mandated by DCI charter. Perhaps for world class, it should be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, drumcorpsfever said: error post. Oops. Sorry. Edited December 15, 2022 by drumcorpsfever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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