Santa Clara Vanguard 2023 Announcement Thread

[Terri Schehr]

9 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

less than zero. they are cadets2 levels of gone. oh sure some lip service about maybe some day, but yeah, not gonna happen

Cap Sound.  The big dog eats first. 

[Mello Dude]

11 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

they are not just doubling parts. if you have 5 marimbas playing 5 lines....not just doubling. doubling is what happened when you needed the 5 marimbas to be heard when unmiced. Did you watch that SCV Front ensemble video put up earlier in the thread? So much more than doubling.

 

but i realize people with actual percussion backgrounds explaining things to you are ignored so you can show your biases and preferences and misconceptions

Go pull up the written or transcribed score.  If you are capable of reading music you should glean some comprehension of reality.  You do realize that you simply saying something doesn't make it right correct?  Mr. Ream do you even understand that the guy you are referencing even says they are playing unisons?  Do you know what that means?

These instruments are AMPLIFIED.  WHY would we keep the numbers from before and even add to it when it's completely un-needed for the complete ensemble as it pertains to the total music being played.  This flies in the face of music reality.  If this were the case then wouldn't it make sense for every musical ensemble in the world would need 6 marimbas?  It's a holdover from a by-gone era.  Dino's and people with fiscal and noted interest refuse to move on even when it makes complete monetary sense to start trimming.

**FWIW a typical 4 1/3 octave marimba is about 6 feet long and roughly 3 feet wide and like 36" tall and weighs what 150-200lbs or so.  That's a LOT of space. and weight.  This is approximate values not including bigger casters etc or if they use 5 octave ones.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Mello Dude

[Mello Dude]

10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

yeah i know actual experienced people giving you real world info doesn't matter. 

 

but yes all facets should be looked at...but the issues people keep flagging as killing the budget aren't the ones causing the most damage

Says who...you?  You know, as someone that actually runs a business in the real world when you are losing money just increasing revenue without looking at waste is not dealing in realities.  COVID and a slew of other issues (mainly energy/food/housing prices) should be making corps really thinking about priorities.  The whole wants vs needs.  Simply removing a SINGLE semi tractor I would hazard a guess saves 100k alone if not more.  How much staff do you really need?  Do you NEED that 4th bus?  The list goes on and on. 

[gbass598]

11 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

they are not just doubling parts. if you have 5 marimbas playing 5 lines....not just doubling. doubling is what happened when you needed the 5 marimbas to be heard when unmiced. Did you watch that SCV Front ensemble video put up earlier in the thread? So much more than doubling.

 

but i realize people with actual percussion backgrounds explaining things to you are ignored so you can show your biases and preferences and misconceptions

I mean... with all the other problems and costs in the activity the size of a few marimbas and the need for it is an interesting hill to die on. It's certainly not the difference maker as some insist.

[Jeff Ream]

I just watched the live feed of the kids playing Canyon and Clowns. They knew their season was done yet many still travelled to Texas to do it one more time.

 

all the discussion here, myself included has forgotten one thing… those kids who now don’t get to March SCV this summer. 
 

thank you kids and those that showed up to watch. YOU are Vanguard.

[Jeff Ream]

10 hours ago, C.Holland said:

One of the very first ideas behind elex when we added them in the 00s was that pit could finally play their parts without killing their hands. Ours had to wrap their fingers in tape (they still bled all over their mallets), double parts, and pound on the Instrument to keep up with the sound from the field.   Once you added elex, the pit parts became more lush, and timbres way more complex as you could now have the ability to hear more parts with less effort.  Cavies had some killer pit moments once the elex were added. 

Many former front ensemble members will have last wrist issues because of the approach pre amplification 

[Jeff Ream]

3 hours ago, cixelsyd said:

Way to completely miss my point.

People in this thread are flagging every single type of expense a corps has, and suggesting every conceivable cost-cutting measure up to and including taking seasons off with premeditation (suggesting that some WGI units have done this over the years).

I get your point. It’s far easier to get an indoor group back in motion than a drum corps 

[Jeff Ream]

1 hour ago, Mello Dude said:

Go pull up the written or transcribed score.  If you are capable of reading music you should glean some comprehension of reality.  You do realize that you simply saying something doesn't make it right correct?  Mr. Ream do you even understand that the guy you are referencing even says they are playing unisons?  Do you know what that means?

These instruments are AMPLIFIED.  WHY would we keep the numbers from before and even add to it when it's completely un-needed for the complete ensemble as it pertains to the total music being played.  This flies in the face of music reality.  If this were the case then wouldn't it make sense for every musical ensemble in the world would need 6 marimbas?  It's a holdover from a by-gone era.  Dino's and people with fiscal and noted interest refuse to move on even when it makes complete monetary sense to start trimming.

**FWIW a typical 4 1/3 octave marimba is about 6 feet long and roughly 3 feet wide and like 36" tall and weighs what 150-200lbs or so.  That's a LOT of space. and weight.  This is approximate values not including bigger casters etc or if they use 5 octave ones.

I’ve seen the score. And your lack of percussion knowledge speaks volumes. 

[Jeff Ream]

56 minutes ago, Mello Dude said:

Says who...you?  You know, as someone that actually runs a business in the real world when you are losing money just increasing revenue without looking at waste is not dealing in realities.  COVID and a slew of other issues (mainly energy/food/housing prices) should be making corps really thinking about priorities.  The whole wants vs needs.  Simply removing a SINGLE semi tractor I would hazard a guess saves 100k alone if not more.  How much staff do you really need?  Do you NEED that 4th bus?  The list goes on and on. 

Have you ever seen me say just increase revenue? I’ve been the guy here for years calling out how spring training is a huge impact on the budget. I also am in finance for a living and have been involved in many aspects of the activity. I also don’t post stuff here without knowledge of reality. I’m hardly a status quo guy

[Jeff Ream]

13 minutes ago, gbass598 said:

I mean... with all the other problems and costs in the activity the size of a few marimbas and the need for it is an interesting hill to die on. It's certainly not the difference maker as some insist.

Well ya know at times like this everyone has their favorite scapegoat