a potential problem for stadiums everywhere....

[Galen]

27 minutes ago, PeterGibbons said:

I don't see this happening. Most if not all of the dome NFL stadiums that do not already have grass have no practical way to have the grass outside and then be moved inside for the NFL game. Houston tried this for years and gave up. 

To be fair, there's only one NFL stadium (Lucas Oil) where this would typically matter each year as far as DCI goes but Indy obviously wasn't built with carting its field in and out in mind like State Farm Stadium or Allegiant Field were. 

[Galen]

1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:

so apparently the NFL players union wants all fields to go to grass....which would in turn bleed down to every level at some point.

 

#### I can’t get the article link to paste

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38391956/after-aaron-rodgers-injury-nflpa-calls-grass-all-stadiums

[Galen]

One problem with the "Push for all grass fields" approach is that the NFLPA probably isn't going to be able to get an agreement on field standards- ie what kind grass mixture, structure, etc. gets put in place and there are some notoriously cheap NFL owners out there, so the players might GET all stadiums to go to grass but there'd be different standards applied, so some fields would no doubt turn out pretty good and others would turn out crap (or stay crap, ie Soldier Field).

[greg_orangecounty]

The NFL just finished paying off a billion dollar settlement for CTE injuries.  They should make the switch before having to pay a similar settlement.  It would be a lot cheaper in the long run.

Thankfully the football team I care about already plays on beautiful Bermuda natural grass.

And did someone say "less props"?  😀

[Jeff Ream]

5 hours ago, Galen said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38391956/after-aaron-rodgers-injury-nflpa-calls-grass-all-stadiums

thanks. and if the NFL does go with it, it'll trickle down to college and high schools

[bluecoats88]

13 hours ago, arabica said:

That’s great. Less props.

it wouldn't affect the use of props, but it would stop the use of tarps, as they actually could damage a grass field

 

[rpbobcat]

13 hours ago, lawdn said:

I recall there is someone on DCP that has a fair amount of current expertise on artificial turf fields so perhaps they will weigh in. I vaguely recall that there was some experimentation in decades past with grass fields in domed stadiums, but that seems to have gone away, probably understandably. 

 

 

 

I  design natural and synthetic turf fields.

1.As far a growing grass in domes, the only place I know where it works is where you can move the grass outside then

move it back in for games.

2.This year Met Life replaced their "split filament" turf with Field Turf "Core".

Its a (to get technical) "multi -layered, dual  polymer fiber".

I haven't used it yet.

Its intended to address problems , especially with "non contact" injuries that 

are an issue with "slit filament".

Its also supposed to be "softer" (more like natural grass).

A lot of that is the "infill".

It did get generally positive reviews from Jets and Giants players.

3.Natural turf and synthetic turf have both positives and negatives.

Natural turf's biggest positive is that it can have better "cushioning".

Except in cold weather.

And cleats don't tend to get caught in it.

But its not as durable, and nightmare to maintain.

That was one of the issues at Met Life where you have 2 NFL teams.

If you play on it after a rain, it gets destroyed.

New sod takes months to "root".

Natural turf also has to "rest" between uses.

Normally you can only use natural turf 2-3 days a week.

Pretty much every field I do now is synthetic.

4. From listening to players and doctors on the radio, Rogers took a hit and 

landed "awkwardly".

They said  his leg "stretched " when he landed.

They also said that, in addition to his "football age " the fact that had has had calf issues could have 

contributed to the injury.

 

What I can tell you is, despite concerns, and Rogers' injury, last night Ridgewood N.J.

approved a new synthetic turf field.

They said natural turf wasn't viable, given the use field will get . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cixelsyd]

14 hours ago, TOC said:

The NFL Players Association's new executive director has called for the league to change all of its field surfaces to natural grass in the wake of Aaron Rodgers' season-ending injury.  Rodgers suffered a torn Achilles tendon on the fourth play of the Jets' season Monday night, spoiling the superstar quarterback's New York debut and reigniting the leaguewide debate over playing surfaces at NFL stadiums.

The "logic" of that argument is that Rodgers might not have incurred that injury if he was on sufficiently unstable natural turf.  The turf would tear before the tendon.  But turf that tears easily causes its own set of problems, including injuries.

[IllianaLancerContra]

33 minutes ago, rpbobcat said:

I  design natural and synthetic turf fields.

1.As far a growing grass in domes, the only place I know where it works is where you can move the grass outside then

move it back in for games.

2.This year Met Life replaced their "split filament" turf with Field Turf "Core".

Its a (to get technical) "multi -layered, dual  polymer fiber".

I haven't used it yet.

Its intended to address problems , especially with "non contact" injuries that 

are an issue with "slit filament".

Its also supposed to be "softer" (more like natural grass).

A lot of that is the "infill".

It did get generally positive reviews from Jets and Giants players.

3.Natural turf and synthetic turf have both positives and negatives.

Natural turf's biggest positive is that it can have better "cushioning".

Except in cold weather.

And cleats don't tend to get caught in it.

But its not as durable, and nightmare to maintain.

That was one of the issues at Met Life where you have 2 NFL teams.

If you play on it after a rain, it gets destroyed.

New sod takes months to "root".

Natural turf also has to "rest" between uses.

Normally you can only use natural turf 2-3 days a week.

Pretty much every field I do now is synthetic.

4. From listening to players and doctors on the radio, Rogers took a hit and 

landed "awkwardly".

They said  his leg "stretched " when he landed.

They also said that, in addition to his "football age " the fact that had has had calf issues could have 

contributed to the injury.

 

What I can tell you is, despite concerns, and Rogers' injury, last night Ridgewood N.J.

approved a new synthetic turf field.

They said natural turf wasn't viable, given the use field will get . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IIRC Indy is supposed to be re-turfed next July.  Is this what they are planning to use?

[TOC]

46 minutes ago, bluecoats88 said:

it wouldn't affect the use of props, but it would stop the use of tarps, as they actually could damage a grass field

Back a few years, there was at least one show site that wouldn't allow props.  Had to do with the weight or recent rain that could possibly damage the field.