MikeD Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 You are of course entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. DCI is not a drum corps it's a drum corps circuit. Of course it matters to be accurate and make people understand the differences. Are you actually in education? You are kidding right? DCI is not a drum corps...it does define drum corps to the corps that decide to belong to DCI. Makes no difference what DCA or any other organization decides defines drum corps to those groups. DCI is drum corps note...not A drum corps) to the members of DCI. The defining rules of any other organization are not relevant. Yes, it is short-hand. Of course. So what? Why does it make one iota of difference in the real world? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonW Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Backing things up a lil' bit here - Numerous activities of today have benefited from changes through technology and preparations. Each year sees changes within each unit - players change, staff changes, equipment, plays, uniforms, etc. Even some rules get changed or tweaked... but sticking with the football example, for all the decades that game has been played, it still comes down to two teams on the gridiron pummeling each other for yardage and points. The manners in which they acquire those points have changed, but the fundamental aspect of the game has not changed. Drum Corps has also seen benefits derived through technologies and advancements in they way things are done - same as in football. But where the 'basics' of their game has not changed, the 'basics' of our game has. What once was a MUSICAL competition (where the music was primary and the motion secondary), has now become a THEATRICAL competition where the motion and choreography is primary and the music secondary. That IS a dramatic alteration to the 'basic' fundamental aspect of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielray Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 Well, to keep your analogy "comparable" in degree and scope ,you'll get to talk about this change of the march of the Corps onto" the football field from the parade route", when football teams march out of the stadium in step into the street carrying a European football and cheerleaders out front carrying lighted pom poms that narrate pre programmed cheers to the crowd when you push a button on the pom poms, and before this NFL football game is now changed to touch football and played out on the street before a reviewing stand in front of referees and fans there. That actually sounds pretty cool. And yet still state :" things change and evolve in the NFL, but its still NFL football ". The NFL is doing absolutely anything it can to stay connected to youth in order to ensure there is a continued fan base. I worked with them years ago on creating a comic book and animated series that took NFL stars and turned them into comic book superheros doing things like saving the earth by battling (using only their football skills) armies of robots made by some evil genius. Point is, times change and both tastes and interests change with each generation. If you don't adapt to stay in tune with changing tastes, you lose interest from one generation to the next. Kids tearing up roller skates and soap boxes generations ago are responsible for millions of kids riding around on skateboards these days. While it was something incredible for kids back then, because it was so new an idea, you're not going to get kids even in the poorest countries into riding around on a soap box nailed to an old pair of strap on rollerskates. They would not get the same sense of satisfaction as you would have when it was fresh. When I was a kid, we'd fight among my siblings over taking turns playing pong. We couldn't get over how cool it was you could control these blinking squares on your tv. Now a kid would probably look at pong as a sort of punishment or play it in an ironic way. Anyway, drum corps needs to evolve in order to maintain interest among youth. It needs to always have something fresh and uniquely belonging to each generation. If it does't, it will certainly die. If given choice between drum corps evolving, even in ways beyond my own personal taste, and dying... I would most certainly wish to see it evolve. So, bring on the keytars, DJ's, samples, whatever... so long as it continues to offer kids the same sort of life-changing experiences we enjoyed at their age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) You are of course entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. DCI is not a drum corps it's a drum corps circuit. Of course it matters to be accurate and make people understand the differences. Are you actually in education? You are kidding right? DCI was formed not as a circuit but as a combine of corps, by corps and governed by corps with an Ex Director appointed BY the corps themselves. Corps ( on the board ) make and change the rules not a circuit , thiw is done by corps. Yes others not on the board ( of corps ) follow the rules but the rules set out by other corps. Some "circuits " in our activity actually have judges sitting on boards ( which IMO is nuts ) but DCI has always been the corps as Mike said..this is why the founders broke from a VFW or LEGION circuit, who made the rules for the corps. from DCI originally: Drum Corps International (DCI), formed in 1972, is the non-profit governing body for junior drum and bugle corps in the U.S.A. and Canada. Junior corps are composed of members 21 years of age and younger. DCI is composed of member corps who have earned their membership through competition. It is responsible for developing and enforcing the rules of competition and History Created in 1972 from the combination of the Midwest Combine and United Organization of Junior Corps as a reaction of the strict rules and guidelines of the VFW and AL. The 13 charter members of the organization were: Anaheim Kingsmen, Argonne Rebels, Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights, Blue Rock, Blue Stars, Boston Crusaders, Cavaliers, De La Salle Oaklands, Garfield Cadets, Madison Scouts, Santa Clara Vanguard, Troopers and 27th Lancers. is the sanctioning body for junior corps competitions. DCI is headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana. Its Board of Directors is composed and governed primarily by directors of the member corps. Edited September 1, 2012 by GUARDLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bluesman Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 of sure, " instant replay " in football is the same level of " change " as changing the instrumention in Drum Corps. Are you kidding ? I do agree that Opera , invented in 1597, was changed by " lighting " after 1800 however too. It would have been difficult to incorporate "lighting" in Opera in the world without Thomas Edison. But for the record, " lighting " did not change Opera from 1597 until 1800. Adding " lighting " and " costume " changing ( and instant replay in football ) is what we call cosmetic changes. Now,...having said this... if we put in 4 goal posts in football, (2 each enzone), change the contour of the football, allow 20 players on offense, 20 on defense, allow lacrosse sticks positioned at stations on thefootball field to be utlized, etc.. NOW we're talking about comparable " change " here, and you've got a case for comparable changes in football to that of Drum Corps the last 50 years. When Opera adds " english narration " to the Italian Aria performance, get back on here right away on this.. We'll converse. Now THAT would be a copmparable change for Opera, comparable to Drum Corps change, and you'd have a very compelling case to be made about the changes in these things mirroring the changes in Drum Corps the last 50 years. Well said. I wish I responded in the way you have instead of starting the topic...... "For Dinosaurs Only". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Dude Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 DCI was formed not as a circuit but as a combine of corps, by corps and governed by corps with an Ex Director appointed BY the corps themselves. Corps ( on the board ) make and change the rules not a circuit , thiw is done by corps. Yes others not on the board ( of corps ) follow the rules but the rules set out by other corps. Some "circuits " in our activity actually have judges sitting on boards ( which IMO is nuts ) but DCI has always been the corps as Mike said..this is why the founders broke from a VFW or LEGION circuit, who made the rules for the corps. from DCI originally: Drum Corps International (DCI), formed in 1972, is the non-profit governing body for junior drum and bugle corps in the U.S.A. and Canada. Junior corps are composed of members 21 years of age and younger. DCI is composed of member corps who have earned their membership through competition. It is responsible for developing and enforcing the rules of competition and History Created in 1972 from the combination of the Midwest Combine and United Organization of Junior Corps as a reaction of the strict rules and guidelines of the VFW and AL. The 13 charter members of the organization were: Anaheim Kingsmen, Argonne Rebels, Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights, Blue Rock, Blue Stars, Boston Crusaders, Cavaliers, De La Salle Oaklands, Garfield Cadets, Madison Scouts, Santa Clara Vanguard, Troopers and 27th Lancers. is the sanctioning body for junior corps competitions. DCI is headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana. Its Board of Directors is composed and governed primarily by directors of the member corps. Precisely. It's an organization of member corps NOT DRUM CORPS. And yes it DOES make a difference to note this because words have meaning. Why confuse the issue MikeD? Is there a purpose you need DCI to dictate what Drum Corps is or isn't for all corps in the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Precisely. It's an organization of member corps NOT DRUM CORPS. And yes it DOES make a difference to note this because words have meaning. Why confuse the issue MikeD? Is there a purpose you need DCI to dictate what Drum Corps is or isn't for all corps in the world? youre just twisting words here.....the MEMBER CORPS are drum corps..what the heck else are they....drum corps formed DCI and continue to rule it. If Im not understanding you Im sorry Edited September 5, 2012 by GUARDLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Precisely. It's an organization of member corps NOT DRUM CORPS. And yes it DOES make a difference to note this because words have meaning. Why confuse the issue MikeD? Is there a purpose you need DCI to dictate what Drum Corps is or isn't for all corps in the world? And some corps belong to that "other" circuit or have no circuit at all. Least that's one way of looking at the DCI is not Drum Corps comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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