drilltech1 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) I concur. I fully expect them to abandon the militaristic "cadet" style uniform next. I'm finding the sheer stupidity and political correctness of the general populous to be almost unbearable to live with. The trouble is, it's never one isolated incident, rather the creeping, cumulative effect that erodes what used to be common sense. I disagree with the opinion that they will ditch the uniform for their 80th anniversary show due to the financial WWIII the CEO faced with previous changes; he just beginning to get the financial donations up again. Funny thing though, in all GH's pep-talks, journal writing reviews, and philosophies...he is always talking about the internal war... of emotions and consequences. Edited August 21, 2013 by drilltech1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMadMan Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I disagree with the opinion that they will ditch the uniform for their 80th anniversary show due to the financial WWIII the CEO faced with previous changes; he just beginning to get the financial donations up again. Funny thing though, in all GH's pep-talks, journal writing reviews, and philosophies...he is always talking about the internal war... of emotions abd consequences. I was being a bit sarcastic, but the bigger point is, if a true war ever comes, most of these PC nancies won't survive. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedEye Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Whatever your views are on the larger issues, and what is overly-PC or not, this is not a bad marketing move. So many schools have zero tolerance policies on toy guns on campus that, regardless of history, tradition, etc., having the bands and guards use toy guns and swords could be seen as putting the directors in an awkward position. I would imagine at least some will choose these as an option for sidestepping the whole debate Cadets demonstrated this summer that these things could be used in pretty much an identical manner to traditional weapons. In fact what they did with them was SO traditional that a good percentage of people didn't even notice that they weren't standard rifles and sabres. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post charlie1223 Posted August 21, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2013 Why do we care about this? Oh because, George Hopkins. OP and Some other of you guys are pathetic... "You KNEW" that this this was coming? Because you are late to the band wagon on this one... This topic has been exhausted with Hopkins in the center. This absolutely has nothing to do with be being Politically Correct. Colorguard use different flags other than the American Flag so why can't they also use equipment other than swords or sabers? Oh but wait we're upset because Hoppy called them "implements of war"! How can you be angered by this? When that is exactly what they are? For better or worse or indifference that is what rifles and sabers are. The irony is that we are so accustomed to changing a corps uniform, props, music, drill, flags and literally everything about a corps show so that none of it resembles anything militaristic... But then we point out... Oh why is the Colorguard spinning a rifle in a show about science or circles? And then it's painfully obvious that the equipment Colorguard spin should also be changed regardless of the reason. And that some of you are offended because a CEO that runs a non-profit that teaches Youth Education may just want to remove that imagery from his organization. What exactly are you trying to prove? What exactly are you defending by vocalizing this? Do fake rifles and sabers really need to be defended? People flipping out about this are being dogmatic and are really the only one's who lack common sense... Madison did a graphic show about the Military and not even George would fault them for using a visual representation of implements of war in their show... It MADE sense! But in many other show contexts we become immune to simply accept it even though designers go to much length to change literally everything else to fit the concept. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR_Ohiobando Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Why do we care about this? Oh because, George Hopkins. OP and Some other of you guys are pathetic... "You KNEW" that this this was coming? Because you are late to the band wagon on this one... This topic has been exhausted with Hopkins in the center. This absolutely has nothing to do with be being Politically Correct. Colorguard use different flags other than the American Flag so why can't they also use equipment other than swords or sabers? Oh but wait we're upset because Hoppy called them "implements of war"! How can you be angered by this? When that is exactly what they are? For better or worse or indifference that is what rifles and sabers are. The irony is that we are so accustomed to changing a corps uniform, props, music, drill, flags and literally everything about a corps show so that none of it resembles anything militaristic... But then we point out... Oh why is the Colorguard spinning a rifle in a show about science or circles? And then it's painfully obvious that the equipment Colorguard spin should also be changed regardless of the reason. And that some of you are offended because a CEO that runs a non-profit that teaches Youth Education may just want to remove that imagery from his organization. What exactly are you trying to prove? What exactly are you defending by vocalizing this? Do fake rifles and sabers really need to be defended? People flipping out about this are being dogmatic and are really the only one's who lack common sense... Madison did a graphic show about the Military and not even George would fault them for using a visual representation of implements of war in their show... It MADE sense! But in many other show contexts we become immune to simply accept it even though designers go to much length to change literally everything else to fit the concept. Maybe you could explain why giant towers, wiggly sticks, and flags have anything to do with Cadets' show? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Maybe you could explain why giant towers, wiggly sticks, and flags have anything to do with Cadets' show? Where did I say that it did? Edited August 21, 2013 by charlie1223 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranintothedoor Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Whatever your views are on the larger issues, and what is overly-PC or not, this is not a bad marketing move. So many schools have zero tolerance policies on toy guns on campus that, regardless of history, tradition, etc., having the bands and guards use toy guns and swords could be seen as putting the directors in an awkward position. I would imagine at least some will choose these as an option for sidestepping the whole debate Cadets demonstrated this summer that these things could be used in pretty much an identical manner to traditional weapons. In fact what they did with them was SO traditional that a good percentage of people didn't even notice that they weren't standard rifles and sabres. I know I sure didn't until just now... I hadn't been following the show announcements or DCP carefully enough, I guess. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) Why do we care about this? Oh because, George Hopkins. OP and Some other of you guys are pathetic... "You KNEW" that this this was coming? Because you are late to the band wagon on this one... This topic has been exhausted with Hopkins in the center. ....Madison did a graphic show about the Military and not even George would fault them for using a visual representation of implements of war in their show... It MADE sense! But in many other show contexts we become immune to simply accept it even though designers go to much length to change literally everything else to fit the concept. Entirely too sensible. This content does not belong on DCP. FWIW this is nothing new. We've had commas, air blades, and all sorts of other variations. Anyone who's been around a guard kid knows they can (and will ) pick up anything and spin it. Dear god never take a guard to a miniature golf course ! They turn it into a giant spinning blades of death ninja training course. For whatever reason (inertia, training, tradition, whatever the actual reason is) the "new" equipment never seems to catch on. A few guards will experiment but most will stay with rifle / sabre / flag. Edited August 21, 2013 by corpsband 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone ranger Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Why do we care about this? Oh because, George Hopkins. OP and Some other of you guys are pathetic... "You KNEW" that this this was coming? Because you are late to the band wagon on this one... This topic has been exhausted with Hopkins in the center. This absolutely has nothing to do with be being Politically Correct. Colorguard use different flags other than the American Flag so why can't they also use equipment other than swords or sabers? Oh but wait we're upset because Hoppy called them "implements of war"! How can you be angered by this? When that is exactly what they are? For better or worse or indifference that is what rifles and sabers are. The irony is that we are so accustomed to changing a corps uniform, props, music, drill, flags and literally everything about a corps show so that none of it resembles anything militaristic... But then we point out... Oh why is the Colorguard spinning a rifle in a show about science or circles? And then it's painfully obvious that the equipment Colorguard spin should also be changed regardless of the reason. And that some of you are offended because a CEO that runs a non-profit that teaches Youth Education may just want to remove that imagery from his organization. What exactly are you trying to prove? What exactly are you defending by vocalizing this? Do fake rifles and sabers really need to be defended? People flipping out about this are being dogmatic and are really the only one's who lack common sense... Madison did a graphic show about the Military and not even George would fault them for using a visual representation of implements of war in their show... It MADE sense! But in many other show contexts we become immune to simply accept it even though designers go to much length to change literally everything else to fit the concept. And I'm sure cadets will be back to spinning traditional rifles and sabres next year, as this experiment didn't really work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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