BRASSO Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: that wasnt a rules change. that was a philosophical decision Distinction without a difference, imo. DCI" changed the rules", The new rules put in place in 2016 prohibited the public dissemination of the recaps. That rule change however was rescinded for the 2017 season. You asked us for a rules change that DCI rescinded. I provided one example that you asked of us. Edited August 7, 2017 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 13 hours ago, cixelsyd said: George Hopkins is one of the most successful people in drum corps, at the helm of the Cadets for the past 35 years. If he thinks we have gone too far in unleashing A&E, then I am inclined to defer to his wisdom. Let's see: He got the Circus Act design direction he advocated for in the G7 proposal as a compromise from the majority of the voting body, he has not been competitively successful with the recent progressive aspects of electronic amplification duplication and tape dubbing, then he claims things might have gone too far. That is the wisdom you are inclined to defer to; well alrighty then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Here Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Stu said: Let's see: He got the Circus Act design direction he advocated for in the G7 proposal as a compromise from the majority of the voting body, he has not been competitively successful with the recent progressive aspects of electronic amplification duplication and tape dubbing, then he claims things might have gone too far. That is the wisdom you are inclined to defer to; well alrighty then. What is meant by "Circus Act" design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Just now, Just Here said: What is meant by "Circus Act" design? Read his G7 proposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 1 hour ago, bawker said: . . .well, GH, you championed it. Gibbs and yourself wanted to "remove the shackles" from the design teams, and here we are. There's no putting any of this back into a bottle; welcome to how a lot of folks felt in 2005. People took what you guys fought for and figured out how to effectively use it faster than you did. Bawkerrrrr. We missed you! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 2 hours ago, bawker said: . . .well, GH, you championed it. Gibbs and yourself wanted to "remove the shackles" from the design teams, and here we are. There's no putting any of this back into a bottle; welcome to how a lot of folks felt in 2005. People took what you guys fought for and figured out how to effectively use it faster than you did. Welcome back, Bawker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 1 hour ago, BRASSO said: Distinction without a difference, imo. DCI" changed the rules", The new rules put in place in 2016 prohibited the public dissemination of the recaps. That rule change however was rescinded for the 2017 season. You asked us for a rules change that DCI rescinded. I provided one example that you asked of us. actually a very large distinction. Vocals used to have a penalty attached, hence the famous sign of Garfield back in the day. the only people punished by recaps not being posted was nerds like us, and then the true super nerds of us found enough contacts to get recaps and publish them in various places no matter how DCI tried to root out the leakers. the decision to do so was done under the guise of promoting suspense despite the initial PR basically saying judges cheated, and then because there was enough fan outcry, leaks and proof judges werent really cheating after all, to save some face they decided to publish them. A rules change affects the actual rules for performance.So yes, there is a distinction because recaps didnt affect anything on the field of competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: please show me where DCI has rescinded a rule except for singing Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: A rules change affects the actual rules for performance.So yes, there is a distinction because recaps didnt affect anything on the field of competition Oh, I was not aware that you were asking us above for DCI rules that were rescinded that only applied to" on the field of competition " related rules that were rescinded. In this more limited requests from you of DCI rules that were rescinded that dealt with only "on the field of competition" issues, then I will provide the example of the DCI rescinding the rule on the legal allowance of a Corps to practice at Lucas Stadium the week of Championships in preparation for their Prelims performance. Boston legally rented the A/C Lucas Stadium facilities last season at their expense for their marchers/ staff for a hoped for competitive edge they hoped would provide them the few extra tenths at practice there they could use in hopes of making Finals. It worked. As intended. But when the Rules Congress reconvened in the winter months that followed, they voted to disallow this in the future, thereby rescinding the DCI rule that made this " on the field of competition " practice permissable,( and which other Corps had done countless times over the years as well under the rules ). There are LOTS of other examples of DCI rules that were once permissable, but later rescinded under the DCI rules that deal with " on the ( both literally and figuratively in this cited example ) Field of Competition ". Edited August 7, 2017 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BRASSO said: Oh, I was not aware that you were asking us above for DCI rules that were rescinded that only applied to" on the field of competition " related rules that were rescinded. In this more limited requests from you of DCI rules that were rescinded that dealt with only "on the field of competition" issues, then I will provide the example of the DCI rescinding the rule on the legal allowance of a Corps to practice at Lucas Stadium the week of Championships in preparation for their Prelims performance. Boston legally rented the A/C Lucas Stadium facilities last season at their expense for their marchers/ staff for a hoped for competitive edge they hoped would provide them the few extra tenths at practice there they could use in hopes of making Finals. It worked. But when the Rules Congress reconvened in the winter months that followed, they voted to disallow this in the future, thereby rescinding the DCI rule that made this " on the field of competition " practice permissable. There are LOTS of other examples of DCI rules that were once permissable, but since rescinded under the DCI rules that deal with " on the field ( literally and figuratively ) of competition ". Interesting. So what about the competitive advantage a corps gets by getting to exclusively rehearse on the the field during the day at their sponsored show site? Cavaliers in Denton, TX and Regiment in Charleston, WV quickly come to mind. How is that any different than a corps lije Boston leasing out a show venue stadium to rehearse on to Garner that same type of possible advantage? Edited August 7, 2017 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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