Cadets 2018

[xandandl]

9 minutes ago, HbRJgdZHsbc said:

I understand your post.  You want a comparison among competitors.  You want to understand why something happened.  Your motivation seems to be that the results aren't as you assessed, so you're interested in what you missed or misread.  These are all logical thoughts.  But the time and place for discussing comparisons is critique.  To compare a performance to other competitors on any given night or through a season is outside the role of commentary durning adjudication.  

Commentary files credit achievements within a given caption and contain a sampling of the adjudicator's process.  They are not to include comparisons to other competitors.  Similarly, they cannot be comprehensive to the process.  The question you ask, "[why is] a judge putting 7 others ahead," is not meant to be answered on a single tape.  It is possible to find some evidence through an analysis of all tapes on that night, but still there are plenty of characteristics the judge would have internalized through his process.  

Good answer but it leads to other questions suitable for other threads. Such as, "what characteristics might a judge have internalized which shapes how he scores numbers for any specific drumline?"  Are his numbers representative of this performance on this given night or relative to the numbers he has given to this drum line in other (and perhaps recent) contests?  for example.

[HbRJgdZHsbc]

Just now, xandandl said:

Good answer but it leads to other questions suitable for other threads. Such as, "what characteristics might a judge have internalized which shapes how he scores numbers for any specific drumline?"  Are his numbers representative of this performance on this given night or relative to the numbers he has given to this drum line in other (and perhaps recent) contests?  for example.

Characteristics of the performance of the night.  NOT considerations of other performances from other nights.  

[xandandl]

4 minutes ago, HbRJgdZHsbc said:

Characteristics of the performance of the night.  NOT considerations of other performances from other nights.  

I know that is the theory. But is that the reality?  I don't believe so ...for any corps, any time.

 I also am an experienced student of human personality. No one ever makes a decision apart from the horizon of the sum total of their past experiences; sometimes certain aspects stick out relative to those other experiences.

An easy example is when the book changes from past shows to this show. The judge expects one thing will follow and it doesn't or is enhanced or different. His collective memory evaluates that as suitable, an improvement, just different, or wrong move. It has its influence in the judge's thinking. The judge's thinking is not sterile or isolated.

Edited August 26, 2017 by xandandl

[cadet93]

In case we wondered why Band is so big in TX??

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2729443

[Brass Lover]

16 minutes ago, cadet93 said:

In case we wondered why Band is so big in TX??

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2729443

Yup, Texas loves its football. And as long as marching band can benefit from it I love it too.

[Ghost]

51 minutes ago, cadet93 said:

In case we wondered why Band is so big in TX??

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2729443

Watched this ESPN 30 on 30 episode last night.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUUm--ArqEU  How Friday Night Lights came about was mentioned in this show.  Hope Katy has better luck with the final product than Allen did several years ago with structural issues and such.

 

 

[xandandl]

12 hours ago, cadet93 said:

In case we wondered why Band is so big in TX??

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2729443

Thanks for this.

[George Dixon]

14 hours ago, HbRJgdZHsbc said:

I understand your post.  You want a comparison among competitors.  You want to understand why something happened.  Your motivation seems to be that the results aren't as you assessed, so you're interested in what you missed or misread.  These are all logical thoughts.  But the time and place for discussing comparisons is critique.  To compare a performance to other competitors on any given night or through a season is outside the role of commentary durning adjudication.  

Commentary files credit achievements within a given caption and contain a sampling of the adjudicator's process.  They are not to include comparisons to other competitors.  Similarly, they cannot be comprehensive to the process.  The question you ask, "[why is] a judge putting 7 others ahead," is not meant to be answered on a single tape.  It is possible to find some evidence through an analysis of all tapes on that night, but still there are plenty of characteristics the judge would have internalized through his process.  

Nope

[MikeRapp]

15 hours ago, HbRJgdZHsbc said:

Characteristics of the performance of the night.  NOT considerations of other performances from other nights.  

I get what you are saying, but this is fundamentally not accurate.

Look at the scores for every show since the beginning of the new scoring system. Every show panel essentially starts where the previous show panel left off. This is why "content" and "achievement" scores somehow magically march forward and upward almost every single night. If relative content scores marginally increase every night for all corps, which they in fact (almost) always do, then relative achievement scores will also increase, potentially without actually reflecting better performance.

DCI scoring is, first and fundamentally, a RELATIVE scoring philosophy. At the end of every night, and at the end of every season, DCI only really cares about the rankings from top to bottom being RELATIVELY accurate in terms of placement. And we all know they have a vested interest in starting low to give "room" for "improvement," and keeping scores close to create drama. 

When you try to look at specific show scores, outside of the bigger picture, you can make all sorts of conclusions that simply aren't accurate.

Edited August 26, 2017 by MikeRapp

[MikeRapp]

And to be clear, I'm not saying the way DCI scores shows, and the final results, are wrong or inaccurate. It's just that you have to understand the intent of the scoring system. 

If a judge walked into the field and didn't even look at the previous nights' scores, or worse any other scores for the corps all season long, there is no way in hades scores would be as consistently predictable as they are. Every judge understands the intent of the system. You don't walk in and say, I think this show content is six points lower than all the previous judges and keep your job as a judge.