“Failure to Protect”

[HockeyDad]

1 hour ago, DrumCorpsRadio said:

Keep in mind that according to this article, Joel's teaching license was suspended in 2011 for a period of at least five years. That suggests that he may be legally allowed to work as a teacher in the State at this time. If that's the case, does it change how people view his participation in drum corps? I suspect the answers are mixed. This is extremely tricky territory.

No. It's not. It's not tricky. It's not nuanced. Unless you want to rationalize placing predators among these corps members. 

[Jeff Ream]

2 hours ago, JackTripper said:

I wonder why the Texas news outlets don't think there is any value in covering the Crossmen and Genesis stories considering how big marching band is in the state? They can only do so much at philly.com if it's not local.

they have to pick it off the AP wire. maybe tell a news outlet there to look into it

[flammaster]

I had heard that drum corps could be in jeopardy  but this is huge.  

[Fran Haring]

1 hour ago, garfield said:

Nor did I suggest or imply dilution.

I do, however, question whether accuracy is important in a story such as this.

 

 

Never said you did.

And of course accuracy is important.  Heck... when I was in the biz, errors such as the one you pointed out (getting a name wrong on a caption, etc.) were unacceptable. And easily correctable, as we've seen in this case.

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Fran Haring

[BRASSO]

1 hour ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Think that would be “we can’t control who corps hire “....

 The thing is... no organization gets to safely claim unfettered " we can't control blah blah ", however.

 The US Court's Legal System actually makes that ultimate decision ..when and if called upon.

 The numbers of Companies and/ or organizations ( both For Profit, Non Profit ) over the years that have initially claimed for themselves the mantle of " no authority... can't control , therefore not legally responsible " but the Courts have ultimately ruled otherwise, runs into the thousands, if not the tens of thousands.

Edited December 13, 2018 by BRASSO

[Jeff Ream]

2 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:

There are still people in positions of authority and board members with the Kilties now who were fine with him being there then. 

anything to come in 11th i guess

[JimF-LowBari]

1 minute ago, BRASSO said:

 The thing is... no organization gets to claim unfettered " we can't control blah blah ".

 The US   Court's Legal System actually makes that ultimate decision ..when and if called upon.

 The numbers of organizations ( both For Profit, Non Profit ) over the years that have initially claimed " no authority... can't control ", but the Courts have ultimately ruled otherwise, runs into the tens of thousands, if not the hundreds of thousands.

Would be interesting (sad but interesting) if DCI would go to Court with that defense. Besides the what dirt might they have been aware of but did nothing there is the “we can’t control but we’ll take the money” angle.

[garfield]

1 minute ago, BRASSO said:

 The numbers of organizations ( both For Profit, Non Profit ) over the years that have initially claimed " no authority... can't control ", but the Courts have ultimately ruled otherwise, runs into the tens of thousands, if not the hundreds of thousands.

And here's a good example.

Apparently DCI, a co-op of fraternal organizations, is expected to have better oversight than the IIOC.

The TIMING of this release is interesting, too, IMO.

[Jeff Ream]

2 hours ago, geluf said:

Honestly this is a good question.  It *should* be a statewide story but I haven't found any local outlets covering it.

right now the national media is all about the gymnastics stuff. 

[Jeff Ream]

1 hour ago, BigW said:

"In the years since, every time Larson resurfaced in the very world where he groomed her for abuse, a part of her wonders why she bothered speaking up."

 

I've been fuming on this one for awhile and been ready to go off on another thread in the DCA forum. That quote set off my bomb.

 

Way to go, Kilties. For years, whenever Larson was even remotely touched on by individuals on DCP, members from the Kilties would circle the wagons  and blow some pretty thick smoke screens. One clown posted something to the effect "Oh, some people are convicted of silly and unfair things that put them on the sexual predator list like public urination. Don't be so judgmental." (pretty memorable...) Even then, I thought to myself, 'how stupid do you think any of us are here to throw out those fig leaves!?'

 

For years I've quietly had them on my 'don't ever tell any kid to go there' list and steered Midwest kids anywhere but when asked.

 

Teri says there are still BoD people who felt fine with Larson's presence and saw nothing wrong with it. My guess it was beyond 'he paid his debt to society'. More that they figured they needed the  lights-out screamer to try and pull themselves out of missing DCA finals for the umpteenth time.

 

If that's the case- and I don't normally make these kinds of comments here, to quote Oliver Cromwell to the Parliament, if you're one of those who supported that guy and blew the smokescreens on the Kilties BoD,

 

"IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!"

 

 

 

In the name of God, go!

 

 

i've mentioned him numerous times in the DCa forums.....and they defended or ignored. only recently when i made a statement did someone acknowledge their current procedures