Jeff Ream Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Ghost said: Wouldn't the PR dept. of DCI have gone public already with their spin on this issue? nope. less said the better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: nope. less said the better Mums the word! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, exitmusic said: No question. DCI makes its own rules and can make whatever rules it wants. I merely think that there are more opportunities for artistic development, given more instruments. I dunno... I'm not sure that we can really say that a painting with more color has a greater opportunity for artistic development than a painting with primary colors only. I'm not sure (more to the point here) that a symphony orchestra has more opportunity for artistic development than a woodwind quintet. Sure there is more of a pallet there, which merely gives more opportunity for something... a wider palette of sound and experimentation perhaps. But I don't know that I would quantify artistic development by the size of the available palette. Idiomatic music can develop to infinite places within its idiom. I think that's why some of the justification for electronics gets people (rightly) bent out of shape. Some of the justification given isn't really logical or honest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusic Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said: I dunno... I'm not sure that we can really say that a painting with more color has a greater opportunity for artistic development than a painting with primary colors only. I'm not sure (more to the point here) that a symphony orchestra has more opportunity for artistic development than a woodwind quintet. Sure there is more of a pallet there, which merely gives more opportunity for something... a wider palette of sound and experimentation perhaps. But I don't know that I would quantify artistic development by the size of the available palette. Idiomatic music can develop to infinite places within its idiom. I think that's why some of the justification for electronics gets people (rightly) bent out of shape. Some of the justification given isn't really logical or honest. You are right! And I am also right! So, why not just make it all legal and let the market decide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Year Fiver Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, exitmusic said: You are right! And I am also right! So, why not just make it all legal and let the market decide? Because this proposal itself is poorly conceived, and passing a poorly outlined initiative like this one will lead to poor execution. If you want to go forth with big and new changes, you have to have all the pieces already set and have as many failsafe plans as possible to address obvious risks. The longform proposal is the absolute least elaborative out of all of this year's submissions, because it identifies so few of the glaringly obvious issues, and those it does identify, it merely handwaves over. If you're going to vote for something, vote for something that inspires confidence, not some hacked together job that wants to shift all burdens of responsibility onto corps instead of doing the responsible governing body thing and working out meaningful details and logistics until the point where the obvious benefits speak for themselves instead of having to be defended with "well why not?"'s by random people on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said: I dunno... I'm not sure that we can really say that a painting with more color has a greater opportunity for artistic development than a painting with primary colors only. I'm not sure (more to the point here) that a symphony orchestra has more opportunity for artistic development than a woodwind quintet. Sure there is more of a pallet there, which merely gives more opportunity for something... a wider palette of sound and experimentation perhaps. But I don't know that I would quantify artistic development by the size of the available palette. Idiomatic music can develop to infinite places within its idiom. I think that's why some of the justification for electronics gets people (rightly) bent out of shape. Some of the justification given isn't really logical or honest. winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: winner And no looking behind the curtain either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Just now, exitmusic said: You are right! And I am also right! So, why not just make it all legal and let the market decide? Because it really is arbitration... based on mood and current ticket sales and show designs, etc. Making a leap from a platform that isn't really quite there is not only risky, but it is also unwarranted. There's no sense in letting the market decide poorly while the market is relatively favorable with small steps. Edited January 7, 2020 by cfirwin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, Year Fiver said: Because this proposal itself is poorly conceived, and passing a poorly outlined initiative like this one will lead to poor execution. If you want to go forth with big and new changes, you have to have all the pieces already set and have as many failsafe plans as possible to address obvious risks. The longform proposal is the absolute least elaborative out of all of this year's submissions, because it identifies so few of the glaringly obvious issues, and those it does identify, it merely handwaves over. If you're going to vote for something, vote for something that inspires confidence, not some hacked together job that wants to shift all burdens of responsibility onto corps instead of doing the responsible governing body thing and working out meaningful details and logistics until the point where the obvious benefits speak for themselves instead of having to be defended with "well why not?"'s by random people on the internet. If those who vote believe as you do, they can vote “no”. It has happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2muchcoffeeman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, exitmusic said: So, why not just make it all legal and let the market decide? Because drum corps, and by extension DCI, does not exist to serve "the market." They, and it, exist to serve the youth who pay tuition to participate. To the degree there is a "market" for a drum corps to serve, that market is the people who sign up to participate in their ensembles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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