MikeRapp Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, corps8294 said: This year's Crown show reminds me, a lot, of their "Rach Star" show. Two really good halftime shows performed by a really talented drum corps. Rach Star had a concept. This show is a show about everything. Which means it’s a show about nothing. Rach Star had an idea that people thought was fun because it was based on a cool concept. This show is 100% dependent on people in the stands constantly chanting and clapping to RHRN. Why would we do that?! A show BASED ON audience participation is a very risky idea in this genre. The kids perform it at a stellar level. Not their fault. You want audience participation? End Act 2 with a kick ### keytar solo. Edited August 13, 2022 by MikeRapp 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwellian Wiress Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Can't get this show out of my head. I'll never be able to read the phrase "right here right now" normally again and I am 💯% okay with this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBaritone19 Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, MikeRapp said: Rach Star had a concept. This show is a show about everything. Which means it’s a show about nothing. Rach Star had an idea that people thought was fun because it was based on a cool concept. This show is 100% dependent on people in the stands constantly chanting and clapping to RHRN. Why would we do that?! A show BASED ON audience participation is a very risky idea in this genre. The kids perform it at a stellar level. Not their fault. You want audience participation? End Act 2 with a kick ### keytar solo. Audience participation isn’t just cheering at the end. I do like that part of Bloo’s show, and that’s about it, but a keytar solo isn’t really inviting audience participation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsxanax Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, MikeRapp said: End Act 2 with a kick ### keytar solo. Props to Bloo this year. That keytar feature is crazy good. Show stopper even. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerParent Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, CrownBariDad said: Two vastly different ways to express the same sentiment. ZTW gets the point across without being harsh. Thanks! An excellent point. Saying a world class percussion group that finished 7th “stunk” is quite an exaggeration and not only an insult to that Crown percussion group but every group that finished 8th and below. I assume this “Drum Corps is a Bust” person is maybe 11 years old though so I don’t pay them too much mind. Edited August 13, 2022 by DrummerParent 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerParent Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, MikeRapp said: This show is a show about everything. Which means it’s a show about nothing. Should’ve called it “Seinfeld.” 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRapp Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TigerBaritone19 said: Audience participation isn’t just cheering at the end. I do like that part of Bloo’s show, and that’s about it, but a keytar solo isn’t really inviting audience participation That’s sort of the point. It isn’t inviting it. It gets it. The idea that the crowd contributes to the show CONTENT is not new. And they made a good run at it, it just doesn’t work. And when your entire show concept IS audience involvement… What I do think was the really big mistake is not changing it. They just kept rolling the same thing out night after night with the same results. Edited August 13, 2022 by MikeRapp 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZTWright Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 minute ago, MikeRapp said: That’s sort of the point. It isn’t inviting it. It gets it. The idea that the crowd contributes to the show CONTENT is not new. And they made a good run at it, it just doesn’t work. There is a very clear difference though between audience reaction (which isn't built into the show) and audience participation (which is what the show is built around). By your description, every show would have audience participation which isn't necessarily the truth here. A writer/designer can write a part for audience reaction and not get what they want out of it, just as well as they can for audience participation and not get the same. The situation at hand is that of the latter. The Crown team wanted audience participation and they simply just aren't getting it at the level they wanted. Tonight might tell a different story though, with it being the last show of the season, and that could very well make the difference as it did with Phantom 2008. Difference is that Crown won't be able to pull off that 1st place finish, because it is already written in the stars for the Blue Devils. They could pull up to 3rd or possibly 2nd if the crowd buys into the show and backs them up, but the likelihood of that happening is yet to be foreseen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsxanax Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, DrummerParent said: Should’ve called it “Seinfeld.” The Best Response all season!!! Automatic induction into DCP, CrownTHREAD hall of fame🏆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWise Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, MikeRapp said: I was thinking about this last night after Bluecoats leapt forward with a show that brought down the house. A lot of things can be said about drill a design and props. But to me it may come down to one simple fact: If your show DEPENDS upon crowd involvement—you’d better have one hell of a show concept. Because if your show requires audience members to clap and chant phrases from the literal beginning to end, you are taking one hell of a risk. This idea simply falls flat. Because people do not participate. It’s awkward and cheesy. Crown needs to focus on what they do best and trust that. And stop pushing so much cheese and crap onto the field. Inferno. Do another one of those. Please. Mike .. I really do not even think Inferno would come close to winning. DCI has just moved into such a different place .. which I don’t think includes grand sweeping mega Drum Corps shows with those story lines. I love what Boston is doing and tonight will tell if that type of show is highly rewarded. Just a week ago the chatter was about BAC beating BDs and now they have to fight it out with Bloo. Survey says from my arena of non-experts Bloo is t’ed up for silver. But we’ll see. Edited August 13, 2022 by BWise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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