Phantom Regiment 2023

[fighterkit]

On 4/15/2023 at 9:03 AM, regimentlvr said:

So ready to hear about this year’s show. Anyone have any insight as to whether or not PR picked up Santa Clara members?

A few here and there. I want to say single digits. 

[Chief Guns]

On 4/15/2023 at 7:03 AM, regimentlvr said:

So ready to hear about this year’s show. Anyone have any insight as to whether or not PR picked up Santa Clara members?

I have no numbers or actual evidence to back this up.............hearsay only, but I heard that BD/Mandarins/Crown were the biggest beneficiaries for bringing in the most SCV members. 

[Sutasaurus]

4 hours ago, Chief Guns said:

I have no numbers or actual evidence to back this up.............hearsay only, but I heard that BD/Mandarins/Crown were the biggest beneficiaries for bringing in the most SCV members. 

Are you speaking for the Bay Area members?

From what has been published, several SCV Percussion instructors/techs came to Regiment this year. That was prior to SCV’s announcement…..hmmmmm. One would guess that a lot of former SCV percussionists would go to a devil, no pun intended,  they know as opposed to a devil they don’t know. Unless that devil was truly bad….but speaking from my exposure to the Rennick team, I would say it was not a terrible experience. Expensive…well maybe, but I’m not privy to staff budgets, however, there is some quality instruction to be had there….and you get what you pay for.

As for hornline and guard MMs….I have no idea of the numbers. SCV, Crown, Regiment to me are stylistically aligned and it would draw a particular subset of interested marchers moreso than those interested in marching with Mandarins/ Blue Devils. Just speculation on my point. I’m certainly no armchair show designer/ corps director, but sheer gut reaction is usually a good starting point.

Looking forward to honest discussion on these points.

Cheers!

Edited April 19, 2023 by Sutasaurus

[Jeff Ream]

14 hours ago, gak27 said:

This is the way.

I have spoken

[kdaddy]

5 hours ago, Sutasaurus said:

Are you speaking for the Bay Area members?

From what has been published, several SCV Percussion instructors/techs came to Regiment this year. That was prior to SCV’s announcement…..hmmmmm. One would guess that a lot of former SCV percussionists would go to a devil, no pun intended,  they know as opposed to a devil they don’t know. Unless that devil was truly bad….but speaking from my exposure to the Rennick team, I would say it was not a terrible experience. Expensive…well maybe, but I’m not privy to staff budgets, however, there is some quality instruction to be had there….and you get what you pay for.

As for hornline and guard MMs….I have no idea of the numbers. SCV, Crown, Regiment to me are stylistically aligned and it would draw a particular subset of interested marchers moreso than those interested in marching with Mandarins/ Blue Devils. Just speculation on my point. I’m certainly no armchair show designer/ corps director, but sheer gut reaction is usually a good starting point.

Looking forward to honest discussion on these points.

Cheers!

I can see your argument for SCV percussionists going to Regiment, especially if the new Regiment guys got an endorsement by the Rennicks when SCV's 2023 season ended. Naturally a good percussionist would want to work with the Rennicks for quality writing and instruction, but I suspect they also want a drum trophy. If that's the case, the next natural place to go is BD (where they would also get quality writing and instruction, as well as the chance for a corps title on top).

Likewise with brass... if you can land at BD or Crown, that's a great choice. Same with guard.

I'm sure design stylistic choices may factor into a student's decision, but placement clearly matters also. Regiment hasn't been top 6 since today's marchers were in elementary school. They probably know more about corps management seemingly turning a blind eye to guard member mistreatment allegations than they do Spartacus.

I loved Regiment's 2022 show, and I think they're on a competent design path. And the design and instruction decisions should mean 2023 is even better. That said, I could also see an 20-year-old SCV member watching that show and thinking it was lame relative to BD, Crown, and Mandarins (and SCV).

[Mello Dude]

4 hours ago, kdaddy said:

I can see your argument for SCV percussionists going to Regiment, especially if the new Regiment guys got an endorsement by the Rennicks when SCV's 2023 season ended. Naturally a good percussionist would want to work with the Rennicks for quality writing and instruction, but I suspect they also want a drum trophy. If that's the case, the next natural place to go is BD (where they would also get quality writing and instruction, as well as the chance for a corps title on top).

Likewise with brass... if you can land at BD or Crown, that's a great choice. Same with guard.

I'm sure design stylistic choices may factor into a student's decision, but placement clearly matters also. Regiment hasn't been top 6 since today's marchers were in elementary school. They probably know more about corps management seemingly turning a blind eye to guard member mistreatment allegations than they do Spartacus.

I loved Regiment's 2022 show, and I think they're on a competent design path. And the design and instruction decisions should mean 2023 is even better. That said, I could also see an 20-year-old SCV member watching that show and thinking it was lame relative to BD, Crown, and Mandarins (and SCV).

Lame?  Really?  Voted fan favorite for a good reason.  Don't underestimate people wanting to be in a show that gets butts out of the seats.  The sheer joy of being in a show that doesn't get "golf claps" shouldn't be discounted.  Not only that but as a musician Phantom had the best music last year IMHO.  Or I should say best drum corps arranged music.  But we shall see.  I suppose I could just ask someone working in management this year.  I mean, it's probably no secret.  I'm more interested on what they are doing this year.

[kdaddy]

12 minutes ago, Mello Dude said:

Lame?  Really?  Voted fan favorite for a good reason.  Don't underestimate people wanting to be in a show that gets butts out of the seats.  The sheer joy of being in a show that doesn't get "golf claps" shouldn't be discounted.  Not only that but as a musician Phantom had the best music last year IMHO.  Or I should say best drum corps arranged music.  But we shall see.  I suppose I could just ask someone working in management this year.  I mean, it's probably no secret.  I'm more interested on what they are doing this year.

Note that I specifically said *20-year-old SCV member*. You nor I nor "fans" at large are in that group, therefore it may not be easy for us to understand their tastes. Your favorite music of 2022? Okay, that's great - you're not who I'm talking about. I happen to like Mahler - I'm also not who I'm talking about.

Could I envision a 20-year-old thinking Regiment's props (and how they were used) were lame compared to, say, Mandarins? Absolutely. 

I will agree that I could see 20-year-olds getting jazzed about fan responses to what they just performed. I don't know if that's enough to sway them in one direction or another, but I agree that it could be important.

 

[Mello Dude]

2 hours ago, kdaddy said:

Note that I specifically said *20-year-old SCV member*. You nor I nor "fans" at large are in that group, therefore it may not be easy for us to understand their tastes. Your favorite music of 2022? Okay, that's great - you're not who I'm talking about. I happen to like Mahler - I'm also not who I'm talking about.

Could I envision a 20-year-old thinking Regiment's props (and how they were used) were lame compared to, say, Mandarins? Absolutely. 

I will agree that I could see 20-year-olds getting jazzed about fan responses to what they just performed. I don't know if that's enough to sway them in one direction or another, but I agree that it could be important.

 

You are assuming WAY too much on what others think rather than using the data that's available.  I don't know how you can "envision|" someone else's thoughts.  I can only go by what people voted (including 20 year old peeps) and the crowd reaction.  Music matters to musicians.

[kdaddy]

17 minutes ago, Mello Dude said:

You are assuming WAY too much on what others think rather than using the data that's available.  I don't know how you can "envision|" someone else's thoughts.  I can only go by what people voted (including 20 year old peeps) and the crowd reaction.  Music matters to musicians.

Only one of us is speaking in absolutes, and it's not me.

It sounds like you're suggesting that "data that's available" means that you can draw conclusions about a particular demographic based on a generic fan voting outcome. And I would suggest in response that's a failure in data analysis.

[Sutasaurus]

Young people march for myriad reasons. Some for a ring, some to become better performers, some for the crowd reaction. All are great reasons/motivations.

Every single marching member knows the amount of work that goes into being part of something bigger than themselves and to infer their work is not valued or lame is a great disservice to those marching members. 
 

Mello Dude raises a good point. There are plenty of future marching members who were sitting in the stands and they too had a hand in selecting a crowd favorite.

Perhaps that performance was the catalyst for them to join a corps….whatever corps. If that’s the case. Give me more shows like that.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Sutasaurus