Jeff Ream Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 12 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said: What happens if LOS owners decide they want more $$ for use of stadium, or, perhaps worse, decide they don’t want DCI & BOA to use the stadium at all once current contract runs out? i believe the tourism bureau is involved in the deal, which helps DCI out. but DCI does have a contract, so they probably have terms that require advance notification of material changes. i'd also imagine they start renegotiating earlier than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 hours ago, rpbobcat said: Actually ,going to natural grass turf may have more impacts then this. I design both synthetic and natural grass fields. One of the benefits of synthetic turf is that it can be used right after it rains. Try to do that with grass , and you have damage, it can be a real mess. Natural grass also requires constant care. What I worry about, if places go to natural grass, they may not want to risk "damage" or more "wear and tear" then it would already get. So they could just say no Drum Corps. natural grass in an enclosed stadium is a nightmare. it's how Astroturf came to be...because of the disaster trying to have real grass in the Astrodome turned out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Guns Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: natural grass in an enclosed stadium is a nightmare. it's how Astroturf came to be...because of the disaster trying to have real grass in the Astrodome turned out NFL players and coaches are speaking out right now about getting rid of turf because of injuries linked to it. Personally, I agree with them. I think out of the 30 NFL stadiums, roughly 14 are turf (don't quote me on that). Hopefully it changes soon to all grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Chief Guns said: NFL players and coaches are speaking out right now about getting rid of turf because of injuries linked to it. Personally, I agree with them. I think out of the 30 NFL stadiums, roughly 14 are turf (don't quote me on that). Hopefully it changes soon to all grass. As I said, I design both natural and synthetic turf. I can't speak on pro fields. But one of the biggest problems with synthetic turf is that it is not properly maintained. Especially high school and recreational fields. The turf needs to be "groomed" regularly including replacing "infill" when needed. A turf's hardness is based on what is know as "Gmax". Again, Gmax needs to be tested regularly and adjusted, as needed. In my experience, we haven't seen appreciable differences in injuries between properly maintained natural and synthetic turf. One thing I've found is that, during a season, the condition of natural turf, especially in the Northeast where I work, deteriorates as the season progresses. It can be really bad when the weather gets cold. Another problem with natural turf is that is has to "recover" between uses. That means not using it more then 3 days (alternating) a week, including for practice. Not many schools or rec groups will do that. Edited October 28, 2022 by rpbobcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: natural grass in an enclosed stadium is a nightmare. it's how Astroturf came to be...because of the disaster trying to have real grass in the Astrodome turned out Arizona solved the problem with "roll out" natural grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, rpbobcat said: As I said, I design both natural and synthetic turf. I can't speak on pro fields. But one of the biggest problems with synthetic turf is that it is not properly maintained. Especially high school and recreational fields. The turf needs to be "groomed" regularly including replacing "infill" when needed. A turf's hardness is based on what is know as "Gmax". Again, Gmax needs to be tested regularly and adjusted, as needed. In my experience, we haven't seen appreciable differences in injuries between properly maintained natural and synthetic turf. One thing I've found is that, during a season, the condition of natural turf, especially in the Northeast where I work, deteriorates as the season progresses. It can be really bad when the weather gets cold. Another problem with natural turf is that is has to "recover" between uses. That means not using it more then 3 days (alternating) a week, including for practice. Not many schools or rec groups will do that. Iirc there are specific grass strains developed for indoor sporting fields; is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 43 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Iirc there are specific grass strains developed for indoor sporting fields; is this correct? I've never worked on an indoor natural grass field, so I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom56 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) DCI was extremely lucky that a finals was never rained out. 36 years lucky. 1972-2008. Almost happened at the first one in 72--the strong thunderstorm that cancelled the finale, and spoiled Anaheims upset victory run, arrived just after the last corps performance. Blue Stars would probably have been declared the winner, since they had won semi-finals. No quarter-finals in the early 70's. Edited October 28, 2022 by Phantom56 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_orangecounty Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Phantom56 said: DCI was extremely lucky that a finals was never rained out. 36 years lucky. 1972-2008. Almost happened at the first one in 72--the strong thunderstorm that cancelled the finale, and spoiled Anaheims upset victory run, arrived just after the last corps performance. Blue Stars would probably have been declared the winner, since they had won semi-finals. No quarter-finals in the early 70's. Blue Stars were really-really good, but no one was going to touch us that night. We were on fire. Even the "evil one" said so. But as to the topic of this thread........it was fun having Finals in different cities each year and there is no more of a boring big city than Indianapolis. Lucas isn't the best either. However, the activity isn't exactly rolling in money, the rent is cheap, and it's centrally located. It gets the job done. Keep it there unless they jack up the rent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom56 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Yea, Anaheim was on fire Saturday night, and deserved the title. We spectactors were told to get out of the stadium, just as the finale was getting going. The rain and lightning continued for a long time. Finals tickets were around $15 in 1972. I would't go to an open-air finals today, with the three night ticket package priced at nearly $400. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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