chaos001 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 um - I never said there's no inconsistency of performance and I never said the judges get no training and the data does not support your last sentence at all what you meant and what you typed must be different. email john phillips or michael cesario. they'll send you the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 so maybe the answer is do it more or better?......lol NO! It's SILLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) NO! It's SILLY! well isnt marching around a filed also silly?..big feathers on top of our heads...lol all in perspective...maybe its all kinda silly...lol Edited August 1, 2014 by GUARDLING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 so maybe the answer is do it more or better?......lol How comes the answer is never "do it less and do it better"? When things like squish-a-bug become unwritten compulsories, every corps finds some way to squeeze it into their design whether it adds anything or not. It becomes something of a joke when you watch 10 corps in a row and they all do it. It's great that Crown is now much more proficient at bodywork, but overall the used::effectively-used ratio is easily 10::1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It's pretty clear right now some are using a "WGI approach" or a "Theatrical approach" or a "BOA approach" or frankly their own approach. If this is true, one should be able to identify which judges are applying which approach based on evidence that has been consistent throughout the season. I would be interested to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THeShadeOfNight Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 well isnt marching around a filed also silly?..big feathers on top of our heads...lol all in perspective...maybe its all kinda silly...lol Yes, let's just degrade an entire activity because people don't understand judging and don't see eye to eye on who should be where. Personally, I know where I would ideally like each corps to place. I'm all for heated debate, but trying to diffuse a situation with "hey guys it's just band" completely undermines and insults the hundreds of hours of work spent by young adults and staff alike striving to achieve perfection. THAT makes me mad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Yes, let's just degrade an entire activity because people don't understand judging and don't see eye to eye on who should be where. Personally, I know where I would ideally like each corps to place. I'm all for heated debate, but trying to diffuse a situation with "hey guys it's just band" completely undermines and insults the hundreds of hours of work spent by young adults and staff alike striving to achieve perfection. THAT makes me mad. I dont think anyone is undermining . I for 1 spend and hav spent decades on tour to this day . SO I kNnow. The point is what some feel about contemporary movement being silly. well alot can be put in that what we do. It's either all silly or none of it is IMO. either way silly or not, It is what we do and will continue to progress and things will always be done that many wont or will like. I remember BITD as I said earlier soooo many issues with what the NEW drum corps was doing verses the past. did it stop anything ? No not at all, nor will things done today whoever said hey its just band is said alot..in guard many say its just flags on the floor...I think they might just be saying, hey its not life or death and not all that serious. Although for many reasons we all do take it very seriously. We have to to compete Edited August 1, 2014 by GUARDLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) well isnt marching around a filed also silly?..big feathers on top of our heads...lol all in perspective...maybe its all kinda silly...lol Yes, I guess so, but it's no more silly than other forms of entertainment or activity; it's cultural too. ...but back to the lower body stuff, maybe they should do it in more effective places? I mean, I think the Cadets do it well, appropriate and sparingly. Crown does it well, if not pretty frequently. Bluecoats are pretty good at it too. On the lower side, OC does that stuff well too. Other corps just gotta put it in there even when it doesn't quite fit. As with anything, sometimes less is more. Edited August 1, 2014 by jjeffeory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Yes, I guess so, but it's no more silly than other forms of entertainment or activity; it's cultural. ...but back to the lower body stuff, maybe they should do it in more effective places? I mean, I think the Cadets do it well, appropriate and sparingly. Crown does it well, if not pretty frequently. Bluecoats are pretty good at it too. On the lower side, OC does that stuff well too. Other corps just gotta put it in there even when it doesn't quite fit. As with anything, sometimes less is more. totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 If this is true, one should be able to identify which judges are applying which approach based on evidence that has been consistent throughout the season. I would be interested to see that. That would be interesting to see. For me it's sorta like obscenity and what was said in Jacobellis v. Ohio by Justice Potter Stewart; I know it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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