garfield Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Actually, I had no idea that's what it was about. Makes more sense now. Also makes me wonder why nobody ever tried it with the marching-sound-by-wood-feet-table thing that pits sometimes use. Mike I've heard some describe Pines as almost as boring as that most-boring of pieces ever written, Bolero. But when I listen and imagine the soldiers coming up the Appian, the building, the incessant footfalls, getting closer and closer and closer until they reach the Colosseum and proclaim victory to the thunderous cheers of the Roman people. Really amazing writing when you picture the pines lining the Appian way all the way down to Naples... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleran Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I've heard some describe Pines as almost as boring as that most-boring of pieces ever written, Bolero. Anyone who thinks Pines is boring should do the world a favor and move to Bouvet Island. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) I've heard some describe Pines as almost as boring as that most-boring of pieces ever written, Bolero. Like any of us ever thought Boston Crusaders' Red in 2000, or again Bolero in 2003, was boring???!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZ6xpG3zqM&list=RDsEZ6xpG3zqM#t=18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ-Hncn2cUA Or Torville and Dean at the '84 Olympics? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2zbbN4OL98 Repetitious for the uninitiated ear.........................perhaps for a drummer. I think Garf you are thread-bombing with that other "Mediterranean" word, Curmudgeon. Edited February 3, 2016 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Anyone who thinks Pines is boring should do the world a favor and move to Bouvet Island. To be honest, I thought it was boring when I heard Phantom play it in 1998, and I thought it was boring when I heard Cadets were gonna be playing it as well. I still think its boring even though I like their arrangement. But I'm allowing myself to be open minded about it because Cadets are playing it and I'm wondering what this show is gonna be about. Yes I know, I'm biased. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 but it is hardly the transcendental experience some are claiming. I must have missed those posts For me it sounds like great music, talented Corps and hopefully the visual side and or concept is also strong. I think most of us are in a wait and see mode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Like any of us ever thought Boston Crusaders' Red in 2000, or again Bolero in 2003, was boring???!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZ6xpG3zqM&list=RDsEZ6xpG3zqM#t=18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ-Hncn2cUA Or Torville and Dean at the '84 Olympics? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2zbbN4OL98 Repetitious for the uninitiated ear.........................perhaps for a drummer. I think Garf you are thread-bombing with that other "Mediterranean" word, Curmudgeon. What all of those, even Torville and Dean, did so well, though, was shorten the #### song. At least, IMO. My favorite is Madison's 90-second version. Or Blast's 2-minute one. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) What all of those, even Torville and Dean, did so well, though, was shorten the #### song. At least, IMO. My favorite is Madison's 90-second version. Or Blast's 2-minute one. Mike Mike, I'll cede you that point and raise you one. In classical speech giving and more modern public relations process sessions it's usually taught that repeating something more than 3 times loses all positive affect in the hearer and is thus ineffective (affect and effect being two different levels.) Repeating the melody driving both Appian and Bolero is what makes them sound tedious to some; doing a full field "waterfall" toss or present on guard equipment becomes moot once the viewer (audience or judge) sees the fifth, sixth, etc. element do the same. That said, the brass writing to get that same repeat is different many times if one actually listens (as a brass judge, MA judge would.) What the GE judge experiences could be something quite different when taking the whole into perspective. Boston and Torville/Dean show us excellence. My comment on percussion is that angry, loud, aggressive need not be the only emotional dynamic to make a piece come alive. Better lines understand that; masterful arrangers do wonders with it, even with the battery. (Ducking drum sticks being thrown at me.) Edited February 3, 2016 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Tuma Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) I've heard some describe Pines as almost as boring as that most-boring of pieces ever written, Bolero. But when I listen and imagine the soldiers coming up the Appian, the building, the incessant footfalls, getting closer and closer and closer until they reach the Colosseum and proclaim victory to the thunderous cheers of the Roman people. Really amazing writing when you picture the pines lining the Appian way all the way down to Naples... One person's 'boring' may me another person's 'brilliantly orchestrated'. 😉Your description of the build up in Pines could very well describe Bolero. Edited February 3, 2016 by Brian Tuma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 My comment on percussion is that angry, loud, aggressive need not be the only emotional dynamic to make a piece come alive. Better lines understand that; masterful arrangers do wonders with it, even with the battery. (Ducking drum sticks being thrown at me.) Clearly you're not a marching drummer. Sorry, back to the Cadets now. In the context that Garfield gave us for the piece, honestly, it'd make a pretty neat processional for the corps to enter the field to, then. Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) . Edited February 3, 2016 by Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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