Jeff Ream Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 well... a lot of the top drum guys disagree with you. This proposal will likely pass. not what I hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 not what I hear That's because you are sampling too few opinions in an overly detailed literal fashion instead of standing back and taking in the overall message. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 well... a lot of the top drum guys disagree with you. This proposal will likely pass. Actually, none of the top drum guys disagree with me. (None have communicated with me, or addressed my posts here.) Anyway, I already know where the top drum judges stand on this issue. If the corps want to veer away from the accepted best method of adjudication, they have the decision making power. It would not be the first time. They still use half panels at certain early season shows, knowing that this is not the accepted best method of adjudication, but willing to compromise on that briefly in order to save money. (Not seeing comparable justification for this proposal, though.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 How are you going to tell when you're on the sideline and you have 70 brass and a color guard in between you and them, with the sound of amplified pits right behind? Though to be fair, how accurate a read are you getting right now when the judge sprints for 15 minutes following the snare line around while the tenors are 20 yards to the left, the basses are 10 yards behind and the pit is 40 yards behind you on the other side of the brass? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingusmonk Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Though to be fair, how accurate a read are you getting right now when the judge sprints for 15 minutes following the snare line around while the tenors are 20 yards to the left, the basses are 10 yards behind and the pit is 40 yards behind you on the other side of the brass? Mike To be fair ... using exaggerations doesn't tell the true story, To be fair, some judges could give the front ensemble some more love, Outside of that, they do a pretty balanced job. Edited January 14, 2016 by mingusmonk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 many times a staff is too close to the product or hears the same things over and over and it becomes accepted....when it's not supposed to be. I think we saw that happen in Fort Mills a few years in a row The instructional staff in the performance captions of that drum corps knew exactly what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snare_guy_83 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Though to be fair, how accurate a read are you getting right now when the judge sprints for 15 minutes following the snare line around while the tenors are 20 yards to the left, the basses are 10 yards behind and the pit is 40 yards behind you on the other side of the brass? Mike I would assume that a top level corps would accept the judging outcome if they had that much separation. It is for an effect, the other percussion judge, Music GE, or Music Analysis judges would pick up on it. Edited January 14, 2016 by snare_guy_83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 First of all, we need to recognize that there is no perfect system. I understand and support a lot of the reasoning behind the judging proposals, yet remain skeptical about some as well. The beautiful thing about rules changes is that they can occur every two years, so I'm not averse to an experiment with taking the judges off the field for two years and then revisiting it later. If it works, great. if they instructors aren't happy, revert it or try something else. Heck, we've had so many judging system changes in the 30+ years I've been involved in DCI I've lost count. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) One outcome of removing judging from the field would probably result in GE becoming even more of a factor as it would naturally bleed more significantly into the performance caption. That says a lot considering GE is already weighted in the overall score. Edited January 14, 2016 by drumcorpsfever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 One outcome of removing judging from the field would probably result in GE becoming even more of a factor as it would naturally bleed more significantly into the performance caption. That says a lot considering GE is already weighted in the overall score. How, exactly, do you expect this to happen? GE has never been a consideration in the performance captions, and I don't see any reason for that to change, at least not without a *significant* overhaul of how performance captions are judged (regardless of the location of the judge). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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