George Dixon Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) So - with Crown moving mostly away from high-speed, high demand drill after 2012, Cadets last season throwing the kitchen sink of tough drill and music demand and finishing out of medals, and BD continuing to dominate... have we seen the last of high-speed, high-demand drills? Is the trend that started in the 80's and peaked in the early 90s finally "over"? I think it might be. (title should read "kaleidoscopic" if mod can fix - oops) Edited February 12, 2016 by George Dixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 So - with Crown moving mostly away from high-speed, high demand drill after 2012, Cadets last season throwing the kitchen sink of tough drill and music demand and finishing out of medals, and BD continuing to dominate... have we seen the last of high-speed, high-demand drills? Yes. DCI has moved beyond that now... creative staging & sound effects ( and the points that can be derived from that) is now where its at as " The Next Big Thing " happenin' now, imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadevilina Crown Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I agree with you on this, George. I think it's been this way ever since Michael Gaines left, although there have been shows that foreshadowed this transition from drill to staging and choreography before he left (see Blue Devils 2009). The last championship show I remember that had fantastic drill design was Cadets 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 and yet now they move field judges. LOL 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 You will always see elements of run 'n gun in the top shows. Devils and Crown both had thier moments the last few years. What you probably won't (and shouldn't) see is entire shows that rely on only that skill. Demonstrating a *variety* of skills and effects is what is rewarded. Devils do it. Crown does it. Cadets...well...not as much. They run 'n gun better than anyone, there'sd no question. But when that's where you hang your hat most of the show...it's not as impactful, and honestly it's not all that hard either. They've clearly masterd that skil. Now they have to figure out how to do more while making thier masterd drill moments count. I'd like to see Cadets (and honestly, it's not just them...just the example we use most) employ a wider variety of visual and simultaneous demand. That's what they need to do if they want to consisantly finish in the top three and contend for championships. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutchtow Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Santa Clara Vanguards drill was pretty high speed and kaleidoscopic this year IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) You will always see elements of run 'n gun in the top shows. Devils and Crown both had thier moments the last few years. What you probably won't (and shouldn't) see is entire shows that rely on only that skill. Demonstrating a *variety* of skills and effects is what is rewarded. Devils do it. Crown does it. Cadets...well...not as much. They run 'n gun better than anyone, there'sd no question. But when that's where you hang your hat most of the show...it's not as impactful, and honestly it's not all that hard either. They've clearly masterd that skil. Now they have to figure out how to do more while making thier masterd drill moments count. I'd like to see Cadets (and honestly, it's not just them...just the example we use most) employ a wider variety of visual and simultaneous demand. That's what they need to do if they want to consisantly finish in the top three and contend for championships. I agree with you on this. I do want Cadets to continue to employ elements of running-and-gunning but I have to admit, having that for most of the show is neither that effective nor impressive anymore. However, I think it is more effective/impressive when they have simultaneous demand, for example, that one set in their opener when the hornline was doing multiple pass-thrus and the middle and low brass were playing that passage while all that was taking place. Things like that imo helped them win their brass trophy. Having more of that when they're incorporating musicality is what I think seems to work more than just running all over the place for most of the show. Edited February 12, 2016 by 2000Cadet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Santa Clara Vanguards drill was pretty high speed and kaleidoscopic this year IMO yeah - and they couldn't crack the top group of finalists, the corps moving up the past few years (Bluecoats, Blue Knights...) aren't really known for fast/whiplash drill approaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Given the "visual conceptions" and current business struggles of licensing, marketing, etc., will it really be that long before DCI and WGI merge officially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 As a Texan, every summer I become incredibly supportive of the idea of *indoor* drum corps. Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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