Liahona Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) The only issue is that the all-age corps is planning to COMPETE in World class. ...not "along with World class". ...not "as International class". ...not "judged like World class". The all-age corps will be competing as a World class corps. "Competing in DCI’s International Class division, the Company will have the opportunity to perform as part of the DCI Open Class World Championship before heading to Indianapolis to participate in the season-ending events at Lucas Oil Stadium. In addition, the group will also take part in the 2017 SoundSport International Music and Food festival in downtown Indianapolis." Edited September 6, 2016 by Liahona 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) "Competing in DCIs International Class division, the Company will have the opportunity to perform as part of the DCI Open Class World Championship before heading to Indianapolis to participate in the season-ending events at Lucas Oil Stadium. In addition, the group will also take part in the 2017 SoundSport International Music and Food festival in downtown Indianapolis." ^^^ Edited September 6, 2016 by DrumManTx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) The question. What compelling reason is there for DCI to set the precedent of suspending its rules? International corps have often competed in DCI International class, DCI All Age class, DCA, Soundsport, etc. Being gracious hosts and welcoming our guests, who are incurring a great deal of expense, to perform in our championships. Edited September 6, 2016 by Terri Schehr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Oh,for ####'s sake...HOW ABOUT YOU JUST ####### ENJOY THE ###### PERFORMANCE? Oh yeah....how DARE those furiners take a liking to an art form developed in the US...emulate US corps...actually get fairly decent at it (if not pretty darned good), and have the unmitigated GALL to want to strut their stuff in the activity's homeland ,along with the best corps around? Are some of you people even LISTENING to yourselves? Jesus H. Christ on a crutch....get over yourselves....it's been said NUMEROUS times that the non-DCI corps will NOT displace a corps in quarters competition. Reading comprehension IS a thing....some of you MIGHT want to actually try it. Edited September 6, 2016 by 84BDsop 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 The only issue is that the all-age corps is planning to COMPETE in World class. ...not "along with World class". ...not "as International class". ...not "judged like World class". The all-age corps will be competing as a World class corps. How many times must it be shown that they are NOT competing IN World Class? DCI.ORG says in the article..."Competing in DCI’s International Class division..." which you yourself said is fine, I think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I don't think it bothers many, certainly not me. However, it actually is a little different, as those corps are scored on DCA sheets at DCI competitions, and can't be directly compared score-wise with DCI corps. International corps are scored on DCI sheets. But really, it's the same principle, and it's the audience who wins in the end. Didn't used to be that way, tho....for our first couple of years we (SoCal Dream) were judged on Div III sheets, as the judges hadn't gotten DCA ones yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Didn't used to be that way, tho....for our first couple of years we (SoCal Dream) were judged on Div III sheets, as the judges hadn't gotten DCA ones yet.Or in DCM BITD when they were judged on the same sheets as what were known as open class corps, Edited September 6, 2016 by Terri Schehr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D41145 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Why does it matter? I mean really, each international corps is great but do they really affect semis and finals? It's nice to see them preform though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindap Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 When we went to Europe 1977, we performed at local shows in England and Netherlands in exhibition because we had drum corps instruments (no sheet lol) Fast forward to 2017 where the instruments are the same so no worries. Also, perhaps many DCI, DCA, WGI judges had judged overseas in recent years so no worries again. The important part of receiving guests are the logistics. If they can't take it on the plane, they may have to borrow from you. If they need buses, they may need a reference to a good company. The list of logistics are endless but doable with good planning from the guest and some assistance from the hosts if required. As a gentle reminder, there's a difference between miles and kilometers. On a personal note, I'm looking forward to The Company's visit. I've watched you for years. You're very entertaining, innovative, theatrical, both musically and visually. Have fun! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 That an all-age corps is expecting to compete in DCI World class is the only concern I'm expressing. No, they will be competing in the International Division. The only issue is that the all-age corps is planning to COMPETE in World class. ...not "along with World class". ...not "as International class". ...not "judged like World class". The all-age corps will be competing as a World class corps. Not sure you understand how this works. "World class" is a designation DCI applies to corps who meet a long list of evaluation criteria and are accepted by a vote of the DCI member corps. There are 22 such corps in DCI world class. From time to time, other corps compete at DCI events. This can happen in three ways: 1. Separate divisions with different scoring systems 2. Separate divisions, same scoring system/panel 3. True competition where scores decide who advances, regardless of "class" Currently, all DCI contests are type 2 with regard to International Class. In other words, international class corps are scored by the same panel/system, but are not competing with the corps of the other divisions. They have no impact on how champions, medals and advancing slots in the other divisions are determined. If this upsets you, you must be livid about the World Championship format DCI instituted starting in 2011. Open class and world class compete together. Open class corps can, and do, eliminate world class corps if enough of them score higher. And open class corps do not comply with all of the DCI world class rules (they have a shorter minimum show length requirement). The very essence of "international competition" is to compete beyond one's own circuit or nation by deferring to the common "international" rules. Several people have it backwards... In actuality, the word "International" is the reason FOR DCI to enforce its rules...it's the only way it can hold a 'real' international competition. The time for DCI to remove the word "International" is the moment it won't. *NOT enforcing its rules is what will make DCI a "North American" circuit with international visitors at its contests. DCI can, and does, have what you call "real" international competition at times. Corps from other nations have the option of complying with all DCI rules and competing in the class they are assigned to. Canadian corps have done this throughout DCI history. Occasionally, a corps from overseas meets all DCI rules and competes accordingly. Taipei Yuehfu chose that option in 2005. I hope you understand, though, that we never have true "world championships" in drum corps like they do with the Olympics, World Cup, and so on. Drum corps are too large and too limited in resources to engage in global travel routinely and bring all the top corps from various continents together for a contest. As such, the activity has developed in different lands isolated from each other, administered by different governing bodies. Rules regarding age limits and allowable equipment have evolved differently according to the circumstances of each isolated area (as they should). Lol. IMO "we did it before" has got to be just about the worst reason to repeat a mistake. Just as for Beatrix and Jubal, etc., DCI International Class is a great place for international corps who otherwise fail to meet the requirements of other DCI classes. Keeping its rules is what makes DCI "international". Suspending its rules is what makes DCI regional (despite the "I"). What "mistake"? All-age international corps in DCI International class competition? Perfect. All-age international corps in junior Open and World class competition? Why? A moot question, since that is not occurring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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