Pantherett Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Boston got a huge infusion from some alumni, hence moving from 12th to 6th. Like Star they are buying a championship by paying staff and designers outrageous sums of money. This in turn will trickle down to effect all corps. Supply and demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90svet Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, mjoakes said: I can't speak to any potential suspiciousness of the Legends drive. But it is so disappointing that Pio is still at only $3,000 (if their web site is correct). They had very specific details regarding the need. Off I go to make a donation to Pioneer, since they're taking the high road, and it's going unnoticed. It's a shame that only extreme distress calls get funded. Perhaps Pioneer should have parked their busses in a freeway rest stop and made a Facebook Live plea for immediate assistance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillis35 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 For Bluecoats some of that revenue is definitely from bingo. It's a great game and the 'Coats own the hall in North Canton. The corps used to call bingo in Perry Twp at an FOE, but the corps actually bought their own hall (and a large chunk of land too) which they not only use for bingo but for special events, parties, wedding receptions, etc. The corps also has their Blue Way camps. Aside from the revenue streams mentioned above, I think it's important for a corps to charge an appropriate dues for audition camps, winter camps, spring training, and summer tour. Over the years some groups have lowered costs to get the kids, but in doing so have lost revenue and crippled their ability to properly take care of those kids on the road when it comes to housing, food, busing, staff, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Guns Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pantherett said: Boston got a huge infusion from some alumni, hence moving from 12th to 6th. Like Star they are buying a championship by paying staff and designers outrageous sums of money. This in turn will trickle down to effect all corps. Supply and demand. Good on the alumni. Edited August 14, 2017 by Chief Guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90svet Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: For Bluecoats some of that revenue is definitely from bingo. It's a great game and the 'Coats own the hall in North Canton. The corps used to call bingo in Perry Twp at an FOE, but the corps actually bought their own hall (and a large chunk of land too) which they not only use for bingo but for special events, parties, wedding receptions, etc. The corps also has their Blue Way camps. Aside from the revenue streams mentioned above, I think it's important for a corps to charge an appropriate dues for audition camps, winter camps, spring training, and summer tour. Over the years some groups have lowered costs to get the kids, but in doing so have lost revenue and crippled their ability to properly take care of those kids on the road when it comes to housing, food, busing, staff, etc. .....and I believe (at least based on my perhaps flawed memory of a prior review of a past BC 990 form) that Executive Director compensation is quite low (perhaps far too low for the past years' success of the corps). it shows that the corps is operating within its means. Meanwhile, I acknowledge and understand that a corps has much greater success demanding higher camp and tour fees when they have demonstrated success. So, it may be difficult for a less successful corps to demand higher fees and solicit donation from alumni and others. One thing the Bluecoats does well is to fill your inbox with requests for donations (meals, scholarships, etc.). Perhaps no different from other corps. Lesson? Don't be afraid to ask...and ask....and ask. If you have a respectable organization (not to be defined as corps placement, but rather by the manner and responsibility with which the corps is operated, alumni and others will eventually donate. it also helps to have a community/business connection. When Bluecoats were struggling years ago, assistance was solicited from Ted Swaldo, a Canton businessman. I believe Ted helped instill a business/financial discipline that helped begin the climb of the Bluecoats. In a past post in another thread, it was mentioned by someone that a Corps Development Manager (i.e., fundraising professional) is critical for a corps' success. I believe you need a combination of both (a) creative and (b) business staff in a corps. Absence of either leads to either (a) a broke but artistically creative/successful organization, or (b) a well-funded organization with a poor quality show. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjoakes Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 90svet said: Great point. These professionals may not need to be alumni, either. Some alumni voice is clearly important. But putting the leadership and board always in the hands of alumni can be destructive. Or at least stagnating. Edited August 14, 2017 by mjoakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SuperSaderFan Posted August 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just to clarify a few things: The reported amounts are gross revenue and not net. Revenues can help cash flows especially in those periods of time when there is not a lot of traditional Drum Corps cash coming in. As for Boston, we have built the organization for the long term. The responsibility of a BOD is to fund raise and provide governance. We have a BOD of over 40 people with diverse backgrounds and skills - we have a give/get requirement. We have methodically built a sustainable non profit that services our members and runs on business principles. We have been very clear with the activity and the other Corps about our approach. We have been a major advocate for the Board consortium which brings together the Board members from all corps to share best practices and focus on the good of the activity. We have programs at the local level providing free music education and performance opportunities for local kids in need; a profitable regional Music Festival Company that augments scholastic music performance opportunities for 20,000 students and 500 programs across New England and New York; and our national touring program The Boston Crusaders. We bought a building in Hyde Park to be our headquarters; our main tenant is a music theatre program called Riverside Theatre Works; we opened a music store in our building and we are are distributor for Yamaha instruments - which we also provide for free to our local students; we have some other retail rental tenants and the building is also a positive contributor to our cash flow and a big part of the equity on our balance sheet. We do have an incredibly supportive Alumni and friends network and they contribute just like other Corps especially the older ones. We are committed to Building A Champion and have hired an outstanding Executive Director in Chris Holland former DM, Music Educator and Lawyer and he has assembled an incredible team he has signed on for the long term. Everything we do goes through a business development committee of the BOD and has an ROI assigned to it. We are very pleased with our progress and look forward to a very positive future. BTW - I think the ultimate winner here are the fans as evidenced by their response at shows and the souvie booth. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, monarch said: Forward Performing Arts $1,315,088 is Madison Fixed it. Thanks! 2017 Placement / Corps / $ Revenue as last reported 1. Blue Devils / Performing Arts for Youth $23,964,680 2. SCV / Vanguard Music and Performing Arts $15,060,214 3. Carolina Crown, Inc $3,219,205 4. Cavaliers $1,564,612 5. Bluecoats $5,432,421 6. BAC / Inspire Arts and Music, Inc $3,393,914 7. Cadets / YEA $6,157,771 8. Blue Knights / Ascend Performing Arts, Inc $1,602,432 9. Phantom Regiment $1,698,216 10, Bllue Stars / Performing Arts for Youth, Inc. $1,637,159 11. Crossmen / Crossmen Productions $1,536,865 12. Madison / Forward Performing Arts Inc / $1.315,088 Edited August 14, 2017 by drumcorpsfever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, 90svet said: Off I go to make a donation to Pioneer, since they're taking the high road, and it's going unnoticed. It's a shame that only extreme distress calls get funded. Perhaps Pioneer should have parked their busses in a freeway rest stop and made a Facebook Live plea for immediate assistance. Pioneer by comparison, last reported revenue of $409,932. Edited August 14, 2017 by drumcorpsfever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 3 hours ago, 90svet said: Off I go to make a donation to Pioneer, since they're taking the high road, and it's going unnoticed. It's a shame that only extreme distress calls get funded. Perhaps Pioneer should have parked their busses in a freeway rest stop and made a Facebook Live plea for immediate assistance. While I have found Roman to be sort of quirky over the years, in a funny good way, the emotional manipulation of people for financial gain is 'not' a trait of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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