Chief Guns Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 13 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: it is amazing that the guard score was not part of the total score until 2000 Wow that is crazy Jeff. I went back and looked at the recaps in 1996 and 1999. If Guard was factored into the scores, BD wins outright in 96 and 99. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) Regarding this, by scheherazadesghost, "the judging professionals as a group would need to maintain some control over the process...": There are judges on the task force and they can make recommendations, but ultimately they work for the associations (DCA/DCI) whose individual corps managements are the ones who vote on rules. The judges must adhere to those decisions to remain on the "approved" list and be assigned to contests. I am often amused when people say "Shows are written to please judges, to give them what they want." Not really so. Edited February 5, 2023 by ironlips 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_orangecounty Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 14 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: it is amazing that the guard score was not part of the total score until 2000 So crazy it took that long. Forget where, but I've seen a list of each "winning color guard" since 1972. Kingsmen guard is listed for 1972. Don't know where they got that from as the only way a guard could make the judging sheet was to drop a piece of equipment. (which the Kingsmen guard never did, btw, as it wasn't allowed 🙂) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 15 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: it is amazing that the guard score was not part of the total score until 2000 IIRC DCA sheets years back then had CG at 2 or 3 points… 🥵 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) . Edited June 12, 2023 by scheherazadesghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 16 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: it is amazing that the guard score was not part of the total score until 2000 Score wise YES, caption wise yes, BUT ever since the 70s many didn't believe how the guard influenced ALL scoring and was important. Let's face it (for those who want to believe) Can anyone truly say 27s guard didn't influence the outcomes of that corps. They sure did, believe it or not, Same could be said of PR and many others of the time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, ironlips said: Regarding this, by scheherazadesghost, "the judging professionals as a group would need to maintain some control over the process...": There are judges on the task force and they can make recommendations, but ultimately they work for the associations (DCA/DCI) whose individual corps managements are the ones who vote on rules. The judges must adhere to those decisions to remain on the "approved" list and be assigned to contests. I am often amused when people say "Shows are written to please judges, to give them what they want." Not really so. Exactly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: Was thinking of applying for the Judging Diversity Initiative. I don't think they're is ready for me though lol. Go for it. Ready or not, the establishment should hear your voice as the system continues to evolve. It seems clear we are in for some changes anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) . Edited June 12, 2023 by scheherazadesghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: Yes, but at what cost to those of us speaking up? We'll see, and thanks for the nudge. I have another month on the app window. Let's hope so. But refocusing to topic... given that colorguards weren't even counted into the score for much of drum corp history, isn't only natural that the pendulum would swing the other way? 🙂 As a point of order … when I marched, CG was a 2 point subcaption. I can’t remember if it was Visual Analysis or GE Visual (GE M&M) but there were points allotted. Edited February 6, 2023 by Jurassic Lancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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