DO NOT PLAY LIST.

[MoonHill]

We played Williams in 88, 89, 90 and 91.

Yeah, sure, but did John have permission for any of those arrangements? I could believe either way, actually.

[uncle z]

I totally met Jethro Tull yesterday. He's really cool!

That's amazing, seeing as how Jethro Tull died in 1740.....

[Barifonium]

What about Philip Sparke and Sunrise at Angels Gate?

[thirdcoast]

Getting permission from composers is a VERY recent thing. Some still don't do it.

BOA has great resources on their site. Here is something I lifted...

Some composers or publishers do not allow band arrangements of the material they own. This is sometimes due to contractual agreements or the prerogative of the composer. The list below is an accumulative list of material to date that has been denied in the past or that the publisher has indicated will be denied in the future. Always check with publishers before selecting your program.

1. "The Easter Symphony - Mvt. 2 (Death Tree)" by David Holsinger

(publisher instructed to deny requests to arrange 2nd Movement only)

2. Music and film scores by John Williams

3. Music by Joaquin Rodrigo ("Concierto de Aranjuez")

4. Music by Charles Ives

5. "God Bless America"

6. "Riverdance"

7. Music by Vincent Persichetti

8. The use of Literary Characters (i.e. from "Where the Wild Things Are")

9. Music and stories of Dr. Seuss

10. "Symphony #3" by James Barnes

11. Works by David Maslanka (Mr. Maslanka will consider personally creating a new commissioned work or arrangements for your band.)

12. "Ritual Fire Dance" by Manuel de Falla

13. Music from any Disney Film less than six (6) months after the film's release.

14. "Carmina Burana" by Carl Orff

15. Music composed or performed by the rock group Van Halen.

16. "Barbarian Horde" from the Motion Picture "Gladiator"

17. "The Battle" from the Motion Picture "Gladiator"

18. "Progeny" from the Motion Picture "Gladiator"

19. Music composed or performed by the rock group U2.

20. "She Loves You" by John Lennon and Paul McCartney

21. "Space Oddity" by David Bowie

22. "Welcome to the Black Parade" performed by My Chemical Romance

23. Music and Film scores by Thomas Newman

24. All works by Bruce Springsteen

The following will not necessarily be denied. However, our experience has been that permission may take longer than average to be granted. You should allow a minimum of 6-8 weeks or longer to license these works.

1. Hal Leonard requires that all requests be submitted via their website. You should allow approximately 6 weeks to complete the licensing process. However, the following exceptions should be noted:

* Walt Disney Music: Music from movies released within the past 6 months may not be approved.

* Any music controlled by PolyGram UK (primarily music by Björk)

* Music by Andrew Lloyd Webber requires the approval of his UK office. You will be required to submit your score for approval. Allow a MINIMUM of 3 months from the time to submit your score.

* Music composed/performed by Queen. Hal Leonard is required to obtain permission from the copyright owner in the UK. Please allow a MINIMUM of 3 months from the time you submit your request.

* Music composed/performed by Sting and/or The Police

2. Operas intended for a complete show (mos. to approve)

3. "Boléro" by Maurice Ravel

4. "Turandot" by Giacomo Puccini

SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC WORKS

Because Bands of America intends to continue its practice of recording and distributing video products of performances by participating bands at BOA fall events, bands that choose to perform the following works, or works by the following composers, or administered by the following publishers must take additional steps, pay additional fees and/or provide additional permissions in favor of Bands of America and its designees regarding recording, reproduction and distribution of the performance. To find more detailed information and further requirements read Bands of America's Fall Participant Copyright Documentation

Composers (all works):

* Robert Lamm

* James Pankow

* Prince

* John Lennon

* Led Zeppelin

Composers (specific works):

* Björk ("Joga" and "The Anchor Song")

* Paul McCartney (songs performed by The Beatles)

* Bruce Springsteen ("Born In The USA")

Publishers (collections in their entirety):

* Arc Music Group, including Goodman Music, Conrad Music, Sunflower Music, Jewel Music, Regent Music

Publishers (specific works):

* Paramount Pictures (specifically music including the "Mission: Impossible Theme", and music from "Forrest Gump" and "The Godfather" - music from all movies). If you choose to perform songs from other Paramount Pictures movies, please contact BOA as soon as possible so that we may confirm that licensing is available and appropriate for BOA.

* Walt Disney (specifically music from the motion picture "National Treasure"

Other Restricted Compositions:

* Music from any James Bond movie, regardless of publisher

* Music from any Paramount Pictures movie as stated above, regardless of publisher

* Any Beatles song written by John Lennon or Paul McCartney (see above)

* The song "Hotel California" (by the Eagles)

* The song "Break on Through" (and other songs by Jim Morrison)

* The song "Fly Like An Eagle" by Steve Miller

* Music from the Disney "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies

* "Brazil (Main Title)" by Michael Kamen

* "Barbarian Horde," "The Battle," and "Progeny" from the Motion Picture "Gladiator"

* "Sweet Home Chicago" by Woody Payne

Wow, never new this was that crazy.

[John Murray]

Apparently I'm late for the thread. Excuse the excessive quotes.

Williams will let you do it, but the fees are excessively high....most other composers who charge at least lube up first before they rape your bank account.

I had to lol at this.

Yeah....Maslanka is a serious no-no. I was on the premier recording of "A Child's Garden Of Dreams" with the UMass Wind Ensemble back in 88-89. I got to meet the cat....really eccentric. Lives up in a cabin in Montana.

We have a Unibomber composer? :P

I wish more corps would play Hans Zimmer.

Agreed.

Alfred Reed came to a Regiment rehearsal in 84 when they were performing "Armenian Dances". After peeling his face off in the horn arc, they took him up to the box and marched it for him, too. My lovely bride, who marched that summer in the Regiment guard, says he was thrilled and shook hands with every single corps member.

What a great story.

I can't begin to count the amount of music I would never have heard if it weren't for drum corps or marching band.

Agreed.

and the only "fee" we were charged was a request that the actual composer's name be listed as "William Russo" and not "Bill Russo"

Another great "story"

PR's version of Nessun Dorma irritates me (mellophone does not equal tenor!!!), but their Fire of Eternal Glory is incredible...

Any time that I have ever heard of Nessun Dorma, a baritone/euphonium has been playing it. lol

Regiment just have to be the oddballs.

[BRASSO]

I'd never even HEARD of Chuck Mangione until BD captured the World Open title back in 75'. They gave that guy a boost and a half.

Frankly, I 'd say it was the other way around. By 1980 for every person in the world that had heard of the Blue Devils Drum Corps, there were 2,000 that had heard of Chuck Mangione. It was the music composition of Chuck Mangione, and his praise of the Drum Corps activity and the Corps that he enthusistically supported in their use of his musical compositions that gave a boost to the Drum Corps movement at a time when the Drum Corps movement was in it's ascendancy (1970's ). Mangione was a TV analyst in the booth at one the DCI Chamionships when the Finals back then was broadcast live, and was very complimentary in his commentary of the DCI musical amateurs he saw performing on the field below. It was music composer and multi time Music Grammy winner Chuck Mangione that gave Drum Corps... " a boost and a half ".

Edited November 27, 2010 by BRASSO

[jjeffeory]

Whatever their motivation is, I believe they should be respected for however they see fit to make their music public.

There's lots of other music out there to choose.

If any corps wants to play my music, they've got it!

michaelboo.com

Maybe a Jade update?

[Todd Tanji]

I've yet to hear of a jazz musician who was so anal and self-absorbed that they wouldn't allow a drum corps

or marching band to play their music.

[N.E. Brigand]

Take a look at the list that thirdcoast has recopied above. Imagine you've got a chance to talk for fifteen minutes to one of the composers listed there, and play him or her a CD and/or DVD, and try to make the case that his/her music would be presented really effectively by a drum corps.

What would you say? Which corps would you be arguing for? What CDs or DVDs would you play for the composer? (Remember, you only have fifteen minutes.)

[Jeff Ream]

list on WGI for percussion:

COMPOSITIONS WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS

Below is a list of the songs, composers, and publishers that for which WGI requires an additional step for participation. Compositions on this list require proof of Permission to arrange/perform and approved synchronization permissions by January 15 th of any competitive season. Payment of synchronization royalties for the songs below will not become the responsibility of the unit assuming the license can follow previously set WGI standards.

Units that choose to perform the following works, works by the following composers, or administered by the following publishers must take additional steps, pay additional fees and/or provide additional permissions in favor of Winter Guard International and its designees regarding recording, reproduction and distribution of the performance.

This list may change from year to year as WGI gains more information concerning the wishes of the composers and copyright owners and our ability to license recordings upon the terms the WGI Board of Directors deem appropriate. This list will be published for the upcoming season on August 1 each year and will remain frozen for that competitive season..

Units that choose to perform compositions by above must submit WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE COPYRIGHT OWNER AUTHORIZING WINTER GUARD INTERNATIONAL OR ITS DESIGNEE TO VIDEORECORD THE WORK AND TO REPRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE UP TO 1,000 COPIES OF THE RECORDING OF YOUR PERFORMANCE.

Your unit will become solely responsible for paying the costs associated with obtaining these permissions/licenses, not including the payment of any license fees or royalties, on a "most favored nations" basis assuming the license can follow previously set WGI standards. Approved proof of permission/license must be submitted to WGI by January 15th or your unit will not be allowed to compete.

Composers (all works):

* Music composed or performed by ACDC

* Music composed or performed by Aerosmith

* Music composed or performed by William Adams

* Music composed or performed by Sade Aud

* Music composed or performed by Leonard Bernstein

* Music composed or performed by Kurt Cobain

* Music composed or performed by Don Felder

* Music composed or performed by Foo Fighters

* Music composed or performed by Glenn Frey

* Music composed or performed by Green Day

* Music composed or performed by Jimi Hendrix

* Music composed by Jamed Horner contained in a Paramount Pictures Film

* Music composed or performed by Charles Ives

* Music composed or performed by Michael Jackson

* Music composed or performed by Billie Joe

* Music composed or performed by Journey

* Music composed or performed by Kraftwerk

* Music composed or performed by Robert Lamm

* Music composed or performed by Led Zeppelin

* Music composed or performed by John Lennon

* Music composed or performed by Linkin Park

* Music composed or performed by David Maslanka

* Music composed or performed by Marshall Mather (aka Eminem)

* Music composed or performed by Stewart Matthewman

* Music composed or performed by Jim Morrison

* Music composed or performed by Jason Mraz

* Music and film scores composed by Thomas Newman

* Music composed or performed by Nine Inch Nails

* Music composed or performed by Oasis

* Music composed or performed by Outkast

* Music composed or performed by James Pankow

* Music composed or performed by Vincent Persichetti

* Music composed or performed by Prince

* Music composed or performed by Trent Reznor

* Music composed or performed by Damien Rice

* Music composed or performed by Joaquin Rodrigo (Concierto de Aranjuez)

* Music composed or performed by Skerik (Eric Walton)

* Music composed or performed by Bruce Springsteen

* Music composed or performed by STYX

* Music composed or performed by The Beatles

* Music composed or performed by The Black Eyed Peas

* Music composed or performed by The Doors

* Music composed or performed by The Eagles

* Music composed or performed by The Who

* Music composed or performed by Steven Tyler

* Music composed or performed by Justin Timberlake

* Music composed or performed by U2

* Music composed or performed by Nobuo Uematsu

* Music composed or performed by Van Halen

* Music and film scores composed by John Williams

* Music composed or performed by YES

Composers (specific works): These songs are included no matter which artist may "cover" the song.

* Helen Adu and Stuart Matthewman - "No Ordinary Love"

* Andy Barlow and Louise Rhodes - "Angelica"

* David Bowie - “Space Oddity”

* James Charles Barnes - "Symphony #3 – “Natalie”

* Björk - "Joga", and "The Anchor Song"

* Matt Crocker and Ruben Morgan - "You Hold Me Now"

* Des-ree - "Kissing You"

* Jonathan Elias - "Move"

* Enya - “Watermark”

* Manuel de Falla - “Ritual Fire Dance”

* Tina Harris - “Everything’s gonna be Alright”

* Brian Holland - "Nowhere to Run"

* David Holsinger - "The Easter Symphony - Mvt. 2 - only (“Death Tree")

* James Horner - “Yours Forever”, and his music contained in any Paramount Pictures Film

* George Hunter Ivy - "Danger Heartbreak Dead Ahead"

* Michael Kamen - " Brazil" (Main Title)

* Paul McCartney - All songs performed by The Beatles

* Steve Miller - “Fly Like an Eagle”

* My Chemical Romance - “Welcome to the Black Parade”

* Johnny Nash - " I San See Clearly Now"

* Stevie Nicks - "Landslide"

* Carl Orff - "Carmina Burana"

* Woody Payne - “Sweet Home Chicago”

* Steven Perry - "Don't Stop Believin'"

* Paul Simon - "Mrs Robinson"

* Eric Whitacre - "When David Heard" , and "Paradise Lost"

Others :

* Speeches by Martin Luther King Jr.

* Original compositions owned by Hal Leonard, including, but not limited to the following:

o Music written by Sam Hazo (excludes those songs owned/published by Boosey & Hawkes)

o Original music written by Richard Saucedo*

o Original music written by Jay Bocook*

o Original music written by Michael Sweeney*

o Original music written by Paul Lavender*

(*Excludes songs that are simply arranged by the above)

* Disney Music Publications including:

o Music from Disney films

o Music from Touchstone Pictures

o Music from Buena Vista Pictures

* Music from the ABC "Schoolhouse Rock" series

* Music from any James Bond movie, regardless of publisher

* Music from "Wicked"

* "God Bless America"

* Music from "Riverdance"

* The use of "Where the Wild Things Are"

* Music and stories of Dr. Seuss

* Music from the movie National Treasure

* Music from Nintendo games

* Music from "Cowboy Bebop" by Yoko Kanno

* All Works of Maya Angelou

* Music from Mission Impossible

* Music from The Godfather (entire series)

* Music from Forrest Gump

* Music from the Motion Picture Gladiator

* Music from Pirates of the Caribbean

* Music from Paramount Pictures movies. (please contact WGI as soon as possible so that we may confirm that licensing is available and appropriate for WGI.)

* Music from the movie "Babel"

* Music from the movie "Signs"

* Music from the movie "Transformers"

* Music from the movie "Titanic"

Publishers (collections, in their entirety):Arc Music Group, including: Goodman Music, Conrad Music, Sunflower Music, Jewel Music, Regent Music

Extra Time: The following will not necessarily be denied. However, our experience has been that permission may take longer than average to be granted. You should allow a minimum of 6-8 weeks to license these works.

* "Cirque de Soeil." They will usually grant rights. Advance permission must be proven.

* Music of John Mayer - takes extra approval time

* Music by Andrew Lloyd Webber requires the approval of his UK office. You will be required to submit your score for approval. Allow a MINIMUM of 3 months from the time to submit your score.

* Music composed/performed by Queen. They are required to obtain permission from the copyright owner in the UK. Please allow a MINIMUM of 9 months from the time you submit your request.

* Operas intended for a complete show (months required to approve)

o "Boléro" by Maurice Ravel

o "Turandot" by Giacomo Puccini

Fixing Fee List:

Additional fee required: One-time "fixing" fee of $250.00 per song

WGI has been informed that a fee of $250.00 will be charged by the copyright owner of the works outlined below for the right to "fix" the performance to video. This fee is in addition to those fees WGI itself pays for synchronization licensing. WGI therefore requires the performing unit to pay this "fixing fee," which will be passed on to the current copyright owner of each composition as a portion of the synchronization licensing process. The "fixing fee" must be submitted to WGI by Jan 15th of each year. Please note that this requirement is in addition to your obligation to acquire permission to perform each song. The composers/publishers whose works are affected by this fee are listed below:

PUBLISHER COMPOSER(S)

Amstel Music, BV Johan de Meij

De Hakse Music Publications, BV Jan Van der Roost

Philip Sparke

Studio Music Company Philip Sparke

Anglo Music Press Philip Sparke

Stormworks Stephen Melillo

Hal Leonard Sam Hazo