Does no WGI = no DCI for 2021 (Hypothetical)?

[N.E. Brigand]

2 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said:

But also, I feel like I'm looking at a time capsule. Here's just one of many summary entries that take me back:

"100. dans condemns DCP cynicism as mere hatred of George Hopkins, believes the SE7EN proposal is sensible on the grounds that the most successful corps should have the biggest say in DCP’s future, and praises SE7EN for their imagination."

Heh. Just stumbled across an old article on YEA's website with this now alarming title:

George Hopkins Might Call You.

That was actually posted a year before the discussion to which I linked, and included this little curio: "Since plenty of great musical suggestions have come in for Both Sides Now, the show design is being refined and finalized."

 

[N.E. Brigand]

On 8/19/2020 at 12:13 PM, Jeff Ream said:

yip, here's how it'll go:

 

Plan A open in some form, full time or hybrid

 

OH #### OH #### OH ####

 

Plan B go virtual

In July, some observers were warning us about this sort of thing, at least at the college level: "Students will get infected, and universities will rebuke them for it; campuses will close, and students will be blamed for it. Relying on the self-control of young adults, rather than deploying the public-health infrastructure needed to control a disease that spreads easily among people who live, eat, study, and socialize together, is not a safe reopening strategy -- and yelling at students for their dangerous behavior won't help either."

So no one should be surprised that, besides what's already happened at UNC, Mich. State, and Notre Dame...

--Indiana U. has announced that it's investigating "a large gathering of students ... [that] violated county and state regulations for groups and physical distancing as well as our own guidelines [and] constitutes a serious threat to the IU community."

--Penn State U. issued a statement about "crowds of students congregating in large numbers."

--Syracuse U. is looking into a video showing about 100 people, "some without masks," gathered at a party.

--Purdue U.'s president has expressed concern "about how off-campus parties could threaten the university’s in-person reopening plan”

--The U. of Kansas is warning about spikes in cases happening in their fraternities and sororities.

In short: university presidents, they're no smarter than anyone else.

[Jeff Ream]

26 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:

In July, some observers were warning us about this sort of thing, at least at the college level: "Students will get infected, and universities will rebuke them for it; campuses will close, and students will be blamed for it. Relying on the self-control of young adults, rather than deploying the public-health infrastructure needed to control a disease that spreads easily among people who live, eat, study, and socialize together, is not a safe reopening strategy -- and yelling at students for their dangerous behavior won't help either."

So no one should be surprised that, besides what's already happened at UNC, Mich. State, and Notre Dame...

--Indiana U. has announced that it's investigating "a large gathering of students ... [that] violated county and state regulations for groups and physical distancing as well as our own guidelines [and] constitutes a serious threat to the IU community."

--Penn State U. issued a statement about "crowds of students congregating in large numbers."

--Syracuse U. is looking into a video showing about 100 people, "some without masks," gathered at a party.

--Purdue U.'s president has expressed concern "about how off-campus parties could threaten the university’s in-person reopening plan”

--The U. of Kansas is warning about spikes in cases happening in their fraternities and sororities.

In short: university presidents, they're no smarter than anyone else.

and elementary schools are germ factories when there isn't a pandemic

[cixelsyd]

7 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said:

In July, some observers were warning us about this sort of thing, at least at the college level: "Students will get infected, and universities will rebuke them for it; campuses will close, and students will be blamed for it. Relying on the self-control of young adults, rather than deploying the public-health infrastructure needed to control a disease that spreads easily among people who live, eat, study, and socialize together, is not a safe reopening strategy -- and yelling at students for their dangerous behavior won't help either."

So no one should be surprised that, besides what's already happened at UNC, Mich. State, and Notre Dame...

--Indiana U. has announced that it's investigating "a large gathering of students ... [that] violated county and state regulations for groups and physical distancing as well as our own guidelines [and] constitutes a serious threat to the IU community."

--Penn State U. issued a statement about "crowds of students congregating in large numbers."

--Syracuse U. is looking into a video showing about 100 people, "some without masks," gathered at a party.

--Purdue U.'s president has expressed concern "about how off-campus parties could threaten the university’s in-person reopening plan”

--The U. of Kansas is warning about spikes in cases happening in their fraternities and sororities.

In short: university presidents, they're no smarter than anyone else.

It really is much easier to be pessimistic.

I will have to respond to this post backwards (as is my nature), in order to turn your frown (post) upside-down.

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So no one should be surprised that, besides what's already happened at UNC, Mich. State, and Notre Dame...

--Indiana U. has announced that it's investigating "a large gathering of students ... [that] violated county and state regulations for groups and physical distancing as well as our own guidelines [and] constitutes a serious threat to the IU community."

--Penn State U. issued a statement about "crowds of students congregating in large numbers."

--Syracuse U. is looking into a video showing about 100 people, "some without masks," gathered at a party.

--Purdue U.'s president has expressed concern "about how off-campus parties could threaten the university’s in-person reopening plan”

--The U. of Kansas is warning about spikes in cases happening in their fraternities and sororities.

In short: university presidents, they're no smarter than anyone else.

The alternative is releasing students from campuses to travel freely nationwide and party with no oversight.  Rate the intelligence of that in comparison.

From your examples, it appears that law enforcement is not able to prevent such large gatherings all by themselves.  Without colleges involved, there is zero chance of changing that.

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-- and yelling at students for their dangerous behavior won't help either."

Maybe we should start a movement.  Call it College Adolescent Lives Matter.  Makes for an appropriate acronym (CALM).

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Relying on the self-control of young adults, rather than deploying the public-health infrastructure needed to control a disease that spreads easily among people who live, eat, study, and socialize together, is not a safe reopening strategy

Someone kept using the word "arrogance" earlier.  You know what I find arrogant?  This myth that we can "control a disease that spreads easily" without any of the defenses that pre-existing immunity or pharmaceuticals would provide.  No one has.  Even the most dictatorial nations, using the most damaging and costly measures, have had subsequent outbreaks.  There is no "public health infrastructure" that will stop it.  We can influence it by slowing the spread via hygiene/social distancing, but that is only influence, not control.

And the thing is, whether we reopen colleges or shut them down until there are vaccines - we still must rely on the self-control of young adults.  Ultimately, the pandemic will be defeated by the triad of pharmaceuticals, natural immunity, and hygiene/social distancing.  Right now, we only have the latter... and it depends on young adults, wherever they are, participating in the effort.  If ever there was a "teachable moment", this is it... and our colleges/universities ought to be providing the lesson, whether in-person or online.

[Fred Windish]

Just stopping in to suggest another interesting segment by Allentown’s WFMZ.com.  Another ‘adjusting to covid’ solution. Written by Jamie Stover. Includes video!

A band member from Quakertown High School misses playing the marimba. So . . . she (and Dad) build their own!

I hope this young lady joins a drum corps. 👍

 

[DFA1970]

I recently read and from a major news outlet that if there is a vaccine(s) that are successful say late 2020 to early 2021 mass distribution won't happen until probably June or later in the summer of 2021. And who gets it first...how to distribute it and so on. You know how easily everyone can get a test.... right (SARCASM). 

[JimF-LowBari]

1 hour ago, cixelsyd said:

And the thing is, whether we reopen colleges or shut them down until there are vaccines - we still must rely on the self-control of young adults.  Ultimately, the pandemic will be defeated by the triad of pharmaceuticals, natural immunity, and hygiene/social distancing.  Right now, we only have the latter... and it depends on young adults, wherever they are, participating in the effort.  If ever there was a "teachable moment", this is it... and our colleges/universities ought to be providing the lesson, whether in-person or online.

And unfortunately it’s not just the college aged people. Had a large crowd upstate standing along the street for what was probably a few hours with no masks and no social distancing yesterday. All I could think of was they will go home and write gripe letters why the state isn’t fully reopened. 

[E3D]

2 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said:

And unfortunately it’s not just the college aged people. Had a large crowd upstate standing along the street for what was probably a few hours with no masks and no social distancing yesterday. All I could think of was they will go home and write gripe letters why the state isn’t fully reopened. 

What was the crowd standing along a street for? All of them were wearing no mask's outside? Went for my run late yesterday evening, was at the park with hundreds wearing no mask. 

[N.E. Brigand]

4 hours ago, cixelsyd said:

Maybe we should start a movement.  Call it College Adolescent Lives Matter.  Makes for an appropriate acronym (CALM).

Nice!

Speaking of parodies, this one uses my favorite song from Hamilton:

 

[GUARDLING]

3 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said:

And unfortunately it’s not just the college aged people. Had a large crowd upstate standing along the street for what was probably a few hours with no masks and no social distancing yesterday. All I could think of was they will go home and write gripe letters why the state isn’t fully reopened. 

yeah they dont get  they are a big part of the reason things do not open OR open and have to shut down again....sad