George Dixon Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 anyway - back on topic YES Coats can win gold. The question is "will they"? Getting 2 pointed by Cadets tonight makes that look a little less likely. They've got to cut that gap and it is opening back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboogey73 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 anyway - back on topic YES Coats can win gold. The question is "will they"? Getting 2 pointed by Cadets tonight makes that look a little less likely. They've got to cut that gap and it is opening back up. At this point they have a chance because, well, there's always a chance. Don't see them besting BD and Cadets in enough captions to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Would I like it to win? Yes. But...too many times the music feels the same...some serious shaping and tweaking can really add in positive ways. I still think the ending needs to be tweaked somehow...from the Bend to the push...awesome. Then...the ending. If they want that crowd surge to propel them ala Phantom 08, the ending needs to be HUGE! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 There was a show where Bloo beat BD in a few captions. So, in some captions, Bloo has "beat BD" this season. If you were to say Bloo has not beaten BD's overall score this season I would agree. Coming close is incredibly subjective, as most corps would consider being 1.8 away pretty close. I guess if we're nit-picking you're correct that Bluecoats have won a few captions against BD. I did mean Bluecoats have not beaten BD's overall score this season, which obviously is correct. I personally think 1.8 is not really pretty close. It's not insurmountable, but I think "pretty close" is less than a point at the very least. Going by tonight's scores, with Bluecoats 2 full points behind Cadets, who were 2nd place Saturday to BD, and with Crown .7 behind Bluecoats, I think it's more plausible that Crown could beat Bluecoats than Bluecoats could be Blue Devils. FWIW, I would LOVE to see Bluecoats win it all: I love their show! I'm excited to see them continually clean & tweak this show this summer. 1st place, third, fifth, whatever I'll still enjoy watching this show long after Finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 How to stay on both topics. Hmmm.... Like colonial America, the Bluecoats have shown confidence in the face of challenge and adversity, they have gained some early victories over the Crown, and they have the constitution to become a major power for years to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_the_hydra Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Time is running out and they are getting consistently beaten by two corps. Obviously nothing is impossible, but it's hard for me to imagine Devils losing this year. While I certainly prefer Bluecoats show to the cadets, my tastes are not a caption and the Cadets are performing at a very high level. Considering the strength of Vanguard, I'd say it's far more likely Bloo gets 4th rather that 1st. All the best to them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan of the Arts Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's about program construction and performance levels that matter, not patriotism, Italian cinema or outer space. Not sure how drumcorps fans can watch the Cadets or any of these high performing corps and not just appreciate the level of artistry and virtuosity and not whine about I'm tired of Copland or hate this or that group. Wow!!! Applaud from me. Irving Fan of the Arts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_brandt Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 disagree completely - and it's not "propaganda" it is patriotism - and having traveled the world over many times, I get the pride so many feel in the USA I apologize. I always get those 2 'P' words mixed up. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Freedman Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 It's about program construction and performance levels that matter, not patriotism, Italian cinema or outer space. Not sure how drumcorps fans can watch the Cadets or any of these high performing corps and not just appreciate the level of artistry and virtuosity and not whine about I'm tired of Copland or hate this or that group. Perhaps, though, the more passionate they get, the more into drum corps they will be, and the more involved they will be (and tickets they will buy, etc.). I like to think that under the surface most everybody appreciates the excellence. But it's fun to get passionate like "other sports fans" too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 With a few DCP members predicting the Bluecoats make a huge surge and take gold this year, and with me enjoying that kind of talk for the first time, I've taken a bit of time to study the show again. All those who are fans of the show (and one poster here who's on the board of the corps), help me understand the show a bit. I'm going to play devils advocate here (and I don't mean I'm advocating for the Devils either). I'm a longtime fan of Bloo, as I had a number of friends from my high school and undergrad days who'd drive down from Cleveland to Canton every week to build the corps into a perennial top-12 group. In fact, I first heard about DCI because of Bloo when I was in middle school in the early 80s, and they were recruiting kids entering high school as they were building the corps. My question here is - do they have enough to win gold? I'm comparing them against past gold medal winners' shows. As I read it, there's not quite enough content and demand to pull it off. They've taken many pages out of Cavies' brass and drill book - minimal playing and marching simultaneously. Hard passages are standstill, or sitting/leaning on the props. I timed nearly 5 minutes of the show that the entire horn line was not playing (I'm not including the couple brass features with only one-third of them playing, like the brass feature with quick runs when they were leaning or sitting on the props). Or one half of the horn line will play standing still, and the others run into the new set. I call that sleight-of-hand. Others call it "staging". The consequence - the brass book in general doesn't have the content that I've seen in past gold medal shows. I see lots and lots of body movement, maybe more than Crown usually has, but it is demanding? Doubtful. Leaning right and left isn't as hard as marching and playing, not to speak of doing so at a high tempo (as we've seen from many past champions). The big WOW moment isn't particularly difficult for the corps. They play three chords and do a bit of slow body movement, mostly moving when they're not playing. Very cool, but doesn't take much skill. And again, we have the final 30 seconds of the show without anyone playing, just like we have for the first 30 seconds of the show. Body movement and running into position, or manipulating props. I don't hear demand in general from the brass book. Reminds me of some Cavies shows that were all about the visual, and the music was minimal, and what music was there, was hardly very challenging. The percussion book is more demanding, I concede. And they have some of their most difficult stuff while moving pretty fast, and doing body movement. They do have enough here to take the drum trophy. In general, this show is about props and the 'tilt' concept, rather than music or drill. "Tilt" is about how much DCI has leaned towards WGI, and how WGI judges score body movement as highly as demanding drill. In my book, difficulty should count for something. I see more content and demand - even, surprisingly simultaneous marching/playing demand a for a few features - from BD, Crown and Cadets. As much as I'd like to see a first-time champion this year, I'm skeptical that there is enough 'there' there in Tilt to beat the others in the top 4. So, devil's advocacy over. How am I wrong? Sounds like you've just described Blue Devils to me, and they've won more than any other corps. So using that logic the Bluecoats CAN win gold 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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