ShortAndFast Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Is the section from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony that Crown plays after the Giazotto/Albinoni "Adagio" but before the melody that most people think of as "Ode to Joy" also considered to be part of the "Ode to Joy"? When people complain about the "Ode to Joy" not fitting as currently used in Crown's show, do they mean that section also? (I've been trying to find that passage in Beethoven's ninth by listening to Youtube performances while browsing online editions of the score. It appears to come from roughly halfway through the fourth movement, after the initial singing of the "Ode to Joy"--albeit played more slowly by orchestras than Crown is going.) I believe all the material after "Adagio" is from Beethoven 9, mvmt 4. But most people only refer to the actual choral setting of the Schiller poem ("freunde, schöner götterfunken") as the "Ode to Joy". I can't imagine that they could drop OtJ at this point - the whole musical framework of the show is Beethoven 9 and they hint at OtJ several times earlier in the show. I do note that Beethoven's introduction of the theme is much more gradual than Crown's. In the symphony, the melody emerges in the cellos after a whole lot of chaos, and is initially pretty subdued before it pulls in the entire orchestra and eventually the chorus. Crown's arrangement jumps straight to the the triumphant choral statement of OtJ from the middle of the movement and I think that's what makes the transition seem so abrupt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Any chance of the new closer showing up tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshClements403 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Doubtful. Maybe Atlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebluecoat Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I don't recall seeing any props in Spirit's show either. I don't recall SEEING any props in BK's show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadevilina Crown Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Doubtful. Maybe Atlanta Murfreesboro, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilme861 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Doubtful. Maybe Atlanta It'll be in by Murfreesboro or it'll wait another week. You hardly ever see corps premiere a major change at Atlanta. Usually always in the day before at the minimum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaNative Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (I've been trying to find that passage in Beethoven's ninth by listening to Youtube performances while browsing online editions of the score. It appears to come from roughly halfway through the fourth movement, after the initial singing of the "Ode to Joy"--albeit played more slowly by orchestras than Crown is going.) Yeah, the part after the ballad is the orchestral interlude leading into the big singing of Ode to Joy. So Crown is playing the full lead-in into the OtJ hit in the original symphony (although Crown is going considerably faster). I agree the closer needs some work, but as far as getting into OtJ, I'm not sure what else you do if the original music leading into it isn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msumello Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 After out scoring Bluecoats again tonight I wonder if San Antonio was the turning point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Don-O Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Yeah, the part after the ballad is the orchestral interlude leading into the big singing of Ode to Joy. So Crown is playing the full lead-in into the OtJ hit in the original symphony (although Crown is going considerably faster). I agree the closer needs some work, but as far as getting into OtJ, I'm not sure what else you do if the original music leading into it isn't working. That section from the fourth mvt. preceding the OTJ is perhaps my favorite musical segment on the field this year. Just fabulous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf144 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I'LL BE THERE! Me too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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