rjohn76 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, tommynev said: I've sent them detailed messages, multiple links of people complaining about the issues and even a short clip of The Cavaliers from Cedarsburg. They have never apologized, say they will pass on the information and just always tell me to let them know if there are any other issues. One time they tried to say it was my fault because I wasn't using the app (which I explained to them I was). Bottom line is they don't care. There's people there that care, but they're small cogs in a larger machine that broadcasts over 200,000 sporting events each year. My guess is there's only so much they can do. However, I get the vibe that they may be trying to make a case for better help/subcontractors by asking fans to specifically ask for audio engineers with corps/marching arts experience. It's easier to build a case with a plethora of specific customer requests vs. the normal "Flo Sucks" emails that they're accustomed to getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 9 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said: What did DCI sell in the past, CDs and DVDs or just DVDs? Man was I unclear…. What did DCI sell for 2019 season? That’s what I meant by the past 😫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, JimF-LowBari said: Man was I unclear…. What did DCI sell for 2019 season? That’s what I meant by the past 😫 Never mind about the 8-tracks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Dude Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: i'd rather multi cam. i like seeing drummers hands, kids intensity etc. watching hi cam bores me I'm the other way, I like to see the show design in it's entirety rather than being one dimensional and missing the bigger picture. To each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keystone3ply Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: i'd rather multi cam. i like seeing drummers hands, kids intensity etc. watching hi cam bores me When I subscribed, 'Multicam' for me. (Dropped them three years ago.) I want to connect emotionally with the performers. While live in Lucas Oil, I watch the Jumbotron for the 'big picture' visual impacts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillis35 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 11 hours ago, rjohn76 said: One of the contractors that's worked for Flo this season shared a little insight on FB into some of the audio issues this season. First, as many would expect, Flo is hiring subcontractors that are not familiar with the marching arts activity. They know how to set up mics and mix the incoming audio, but they legit don't fully understand what the final output should ideally sound like. That's not an excuse, just a reality of the situation. Second, the audio setup that they're using will take up to 6 direct outputs from the corps board. Flo is at the mercy of what the corps send them via those 6 outputs. It takes several shows to get that ironed out. With it being an abbreviated season, there's less opportunities to get it right and fine tune things. And again, this process is dependent on the audio engineers having a better understanding of what the final output should sound like. Last, this person did suggest reaching out to Flo and be specific that they hire audio engineers that know/understand the activity. Good insight, and this is kind of what I figured. I think Flo needs to stop using those 6 direct inputs from the corps' mixing boards. That is a mistake. They are just pulling in things like mallets, synths, effects, voice, solos and other pit instruments into the direct mix, yet their field mics will also pull in those sounds. They need to move the field mics off of the track and into the stands. They just have to figure out the best way to do this depending on the stadium. Some stadiums have places on the outside of the press box area where mics can be placed, and although you deal with audience noise, frankly you want to get some of that because you want to hear how the crowd is reacting to the corps. If the mics are placed high enough above the crowd then you should get the FULL sound coming from the field. Ideally you want to record the sound that is being produced from about 25 yards away from the field and about 30 feet up. This way if the drum corps on the field has balances issues or the pit is way too loud, well that is not Flo's fault. Flo is just recording what everyone else is hearing from about 30 rows up and 20 to 30 yards away from the field. Using 6 direct output to input connections with the corps' mixers means that the folks for Flo literally have to sound check on the fly for every corps. You can do it, but you need someone who understands balances, compression, limiters, and pan placement. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 12 hours ago, rjohn76 said: One of the contractors that's worked for Flo this season shared a little insight on FB into some of the audio issues this season. Second, the audio setup that they're using will take up to 6 direct outputs from the corps board. Flo is at the mercy of what the corps send them via those 6 outputs. It takes several shows to get that ironed out. . So Flo is going with what comes out of the board and not what the audience would hear from the stands? whiskey Tango you know what…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: Good insight, and this is kind of what I figured. I think Flo needs to stop using those 6 direct inputs from the corps' mixing boards. That is a mistake. They are just pulling in things like mallets, synths, effects, voice, solos and other pit instruments into the direct mix, yet their field mics will also pull in those sounds. They need to move the field mics off of the track and into the stands. They just have to figure out the best way to do this depending on the stadium. Some stadiums have places on the outside of the press box area where mics can be placed, and although you deal with audience noise, frankly you want to get some of that because you want to hear how the crowd is reacting to the corps. If the mics are placed high enough above the crowd then you should get the FULL sound coming from the field. Ideally you want to record the sound that is being produced from about 25 yards away from the field and about 30 feet up. This way if the drum corps on the field has balances issues or the pit is way too loud, well that is not Flo's fault. Flo is just recording what everyone else is hearing from about 30 rows up and 20 to 30 yards away from the field. Using 6 direct output to input connections with the corps' mixers means that the folks for Flo literally have to sound check on the fly for every corps. You can do it, but you need someone who understands balances, compression, limiters, and pan placement. I was close to the press box last night … what the mikes would have picked up was a loud conversation between a father in the row behind me and to my right, to his daughter and boy friend next to me on my left … “Do you see Matt? He’s next to the bongo thing” “Yes, I see him. Our color guard uniforms are awful this year. There are these stripe things we have to pull over our tights, and no one can get them to work. And we have to push props all over the field, like we have to push them two stripes of the field in eight counts. And the guard is almost all freshmen. We have like only two seniors, including me, so like a bunch of 14 year olds are pushing these really heavy props. I don’t know why he is making us wear those stripe things …” Did I mention this was a very loud conversation? Edited August 11, 2021 by Jurassic Lancer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommynev Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Lancer said: I was close to the press box last night … what the mikes would have picked up was a loud conversation between a father in the row behind me and to my right, to his daughter and boy friend next to me on my left … “Do you see Matt? He’s next to the bongo thing” “Yes, I see him” “Our color guard uniforms are awful this year. There are these stripe things we have to pull over our tights, and no one can get them to work. And we have to push props all over the field, like we have to push them two stripes of the field in eight counts. And the guard is almost all freshmen. We have like only two seniors, including me, so like a bunch of 14 year olds are pushing these really heavy props. I don’t know why he is making us wear those stripe things …” Did I mention this was a very loud conversation? It's ok to politely tell people around you to shut up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, tommynev said: It's ok to politely tell people around you to shut up. It was between corps, but it went on all night. I was so glad they didn’t stick around for Bloo’s encore. Edited August 11, 2021 by Jurassic Lancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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