Lincoln Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 We were at the Cinecast last night and I can say something positive about every show we saw. We liked them all. However, since I hold the Cadets near and dear to my heart, I have one criticism. Please, please, please change what the narrator is wearing. He's a good looking, extremely tall young man with a magnificent voice and that particular costume or whatever it is you want to call it simply doesn't fit him or the show. He should be wearing something that would "suit" the role of a historian or a teacher of sorts....something more dignified than an ill-fitting, modified Cadets uniform. Of course, this is just MHO. Thanks. I thought he looked more like Mr. Rogers in his comfy sweater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
91FSU08 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Your opinion is welcome, but I think the narrator is doing exactly what Copland's Lincoln Portrait called for. I, personally, wish the narrator was dressed to look like George Washington, but I know some would hate that too. And as far as the narrator being distracting I just don't see that. I think it's a common misconception that when someone is talking that somehow we are missing something on the field. No. It doesn't work like that. The music that is scored underneath his narration is done so with the intent to enhance the words. The music on the field doesn't ALWAYS have to be the main focus. Not one of the narrations last longer than 15 to 20 seconds, and I believe two things can happen at the same time and still be effective. Great response jwillis35! Clearly more folks need to become familiar with Lincoln Portrait, a person narrates throughout the program and It is truly a powerful piece of music that totally plays off of the narration. With that said, i would love to see Cadets build more emotional appeal in the program. The ending is great but we need more of it, especially visually. If they brought back what the did visually in '87 it could be lights out and I'm a Crown homer! Edited June 24, 2014 by 91FSU08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Did he look as uncomfortable as he did sitting next to Carmine Appice during the 1981 PBS telecast? Just imagine what that must have smelled like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland1 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Speaking of politics...I thought Cadets' show was a little politically charged, too. I heard a lot of quotes from Presidents on their little tape recording, and when I heard Obama's little "Yes we can" snippet, I almost immediately walked out of the theater right then and there. But then they ended that part of the show with a Reagan quote. So that made up for it. I did not like The Cadets' show. I know Hopkins leans to the left. I do not think politics should be brought into a drum corps show, period. I don't think it's appropriate. I did not like the narration, and I did not like the stage at the front. This show is lacking something, and I have a feeling it might end up getting jumped at the end. However, I can appreciate their ability to perform a show at a very high level. I also thought Cavaliers' show was inappropriate as well. Devils/Demons/Vampires, same thing. The show is the devil. However, I still think it has enough GE to end up 7th. I don't think it can beat Boston's show, who I think will end up 6th. I also did not like the alien head in the end of Crown's show. Everyone knows aliens are actually the "fallen angels" spoken about in the Bible. They are part of the antichrist's plan for world domination. I am unsure of whether or not this is a joke. looking at the signature, i feel (and fear) it is not a joke. Whether or not you like the current President, his campaign was very populist and therefore popular, at least in 2008. his Yes We Can slogan is forever a part of American history, despite any Bob the Builder jokes we can make. Their show is about "america" and it focuses on several of the most popular presidents in US history, Lincoln, FDR, and JFK. While you can say Lincoln was so popular that half the states tried to secede, I will counter by saying "now-a-days" he is seen as one of the best and most popular presidents we have had (tyranny aside, i am sure you would bring up the whole suspending habeus corpus and other questionable things he did, so be it). Once again, FDR was popular at the time, and is seen very positively today. JFK was adored by his supporters in a way that could only be rivaled by Obama. If anyone wanted to stir controversy they would choose Carter, Taft, and Jackson as their legacies are mixed to negative. Of course, the Cadets aren't the first to have a show that touches, even a little, on politics. even recently. Crossmen had an entire show last year dedicated to "protests" in history. I wonder if your head exploded watching their show. And then we have BAC this year, Animal Farm. A story written by a socialist about stalinism in the soviet union. Socialism! GAH! These kids are no doubt being indoctrinated by the socialist BAC regime. Thomson Vou should be searched for his commie card (joke). Less we forget the name santa clara vanguard, and their fascination with Russian music. How coincidental as marxist-leninist theory provides us with "the vanguard" who are class conscious proletariats that lead the struggle. Sorry for this rant, but its the only way i can use my major. Anyway, now about religion in drum corps. Cavaliers immortal show, really? The show is the devil? Its about vampires. last year their show was about the illuminati. (oh no, NWO). SCV 2010 was about hell. BAC "The core of temptation" was about original Sin. Don't forget BAC "The TItans" were about pagan beliefs. But there is the other side, the pro-christian side as well. Usually people don't complain about it. Cadets are guilty of having pro-christian or pro-religious messages in their shows (if we want to be incredibly picky and care too much). Between Angels and Demons, the Angels always win, and some people came away with the show "inspired". If I remember right, Hop mentioned that he was interested in performing the demons winning ending, but he feared the backlash would be so great that it was never put out there. Probably right, if he had a show where the demons win, all heck may break loose, pun definitely intended. 12.25. While i was not a fan of the show (i get enough christmas music in december to last me until the next december, july is too soon) i always facepalmed at the religious messages in 12.25. Of course, this is necessary (i guess) christmas, CHRIST-mas, the angels and stuff. whatever. Heck, even in their show this year, there is a lot of talk about "faith" in the voice over. pro-religious message maybe? Glassmen, the prayer cycle. Self explanatory right? overt religious themes. If we are going to be picky about bringing politics and religion into drum corps, lets be picky about all things then. If the show can be construed somewhat as being political or religious, it should be canned. every show must be approved by DCI less people walk out of the activity for promoting liberal-populist propaganda, or corrupting the youth to be devil worshipers. That is ridiculous, of course. Unless a corps comes out and says "the only fans we want are members of x party or y religion" or if to march for a corps you have to pass a political or religious test. "You must be at least z amount liberal/conservative to be a marching member of the corps", then i don't care. Cadets can put out their shows, I might facepalm at the religious parts. I might chuckle at any subtle preaching. but in no way will i ever say that their message does not have a place in drum corps. Unless they cross the line, demanding religious or political participation from members. tldr: a lot of shows can be seen as having a political message if you try hard enough. a lot of shows have been pro-christian or pro-religious. we should calm down, unless a corps demands religious participation from members or have a political test to become a member. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFZFAN Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Just imagine what that must have smelled like. Where are you going with this? Are you implying that Carmine smells? I've met the man several times and never noticed any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdaddy Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Speaking of politics...I thought Cadets' show was a little politically charged, too. I heard a lot of quotes from Presidents on their little tape recording, and when I heard Obama's little "Yes we can" snippet, I almost immediately walked out of the theater right then and there. But then they ended that part of the show with a Reagan quote. So that made up for it. I did not like The Cadets' show. I know Hopkins leans to the left. I do not think politics should be brought into a drum corps show, period. I don't think it's appropriate. I did not like the narration, and I did not like the stage at the front. This show is lacking something, and I have a feeling it might end up getting jumped at the end. However, I can appreciate their ability to perform a show at a very high level. I also thought Cavaliers' show was inappropriate as well. Devils/Demons/Vampires, same thing. The show is the devil. However, I still think it has enough GE to end up 7th. I don't think it can beat Boston's show, who I think will end up 6th. I also did not like the alien head in the end of Crown's show. Everyone knows aliens are actually the "fallen angels" spoken about in the Bible. They are part of the antichrist's plan for world domination. HAHAHAHAHAHA (wait, this is all a big joke, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
year1buick Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I finally got a chance to sit down and watch the show. So far, I like the Bluecoats show better than the offerings from the Cadets or Crown. (Or BD or SCV for that matter, even though they weren't at this show.) I can see why Cadets and Crown are placing higher (for right now) but I just enjoy Bluecoats more. I'm also starting to really like Regiment's show. The impact points aren't even close to being there and the closer needs some work but I actually got some goosebumps at the end. Even though it's a little tame now, I think that, come August, the Swan Lake hit at the end will be huge. My faves right now: Bluecoats, Regiment, SCV, BD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) I heard a lot of quotes from Presidents on their little tape recording, and when I heard Obama's little "Yes we can" snippet, I almost immediately walked out of the theater right then and there. But then they ended that part of the show with a Reagan quote. So that made up for it. Really? Seems like you're the one putting your own spin on. To have a reaction like that to a presidential quote is simply not normal or healthy. Edited June 24, 2014 by charlie1223 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistolpete Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Take heart Bluecoats fans. Scores from the first show for the respective corps: 73.2 Blue Devils 72.8 Bluecoats 72.1. Cadets 70.8 Crown It's a marathon, not a sprint. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus67 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Saw the show last night and was very impressed with all the corps and I can't ever remember a show/year where that was true. Just really impressed with the whole thing and excited to see how things progress this year. Oh, and the Bluecoats battery is simply sick...sick I tell you! The Cadets drumline got a lot of love during the broadcast, but Bluecoats outdid even them in fan reaction. Edited June 24, 2014 by Rufus67 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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