xandandl Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, E3D said: I don't understand the "unwritten system of points for "scoring" exists/ed". Is that with respect to members within the corps. Like a good or bad list? no, unfortunately points (of dishonor) for who slept with whom, whether mm or adults according to past affiliated person I heard this from. Sometimes the boundaries were too fluid, even when both cooperated. I advised the person telling me to speak with Dan. Directors there changed soon after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, xandandl said: -Genesis It was quite remarkable reading on reddit the rationale by Genesis and their supporters for an adult hire that admitted to hugging and kissing a minor away from school grounds.. and that adult having repeated, inappropriate, non education oriented communication with the minor. Its depressing to know that there are such classic enablers still in the activity for these untrustworthy off campus creepers caught and admitting to the incidents too. There was even a sentence that can only be construed as classic victim shaming in the press release by Genesis, imo.. It just demonstrates how much work DCI still has to do to change hiring practices as well as the too comfortable culture that allows former admitted sex offenders to find a safe haven in DCI Drum Corps apparently still. There are also shockingly too many defenders of these types of hires too in DCI. Such attitudes for the hires and retentions of these former people with admitted sexual indiscretions with minors show attitudes that one would expect in 1958, not here 2018. It seems lots of work remains to bring DCI Drum Corps culture and attitudes into the 21st century in some quarters still. The good news here however, is these people with such archaic thinking in feeble attempts to justify the hiring and retention of these people will most likely show in time that they were on the wrong side of both history and in responsible thinking, imo Edited August 25, 2018 by BRASSO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 We had a overly hugging adult working with my old church’s youth group of teenagers. Council found out when a college age helper made an off hand comment about “girls will be more relaxed without Sam going on this trip”. We asked and found out about the unwelcome hugging. Kicker was the college aged guy had NO clue it was a possible problem. So not only enablers but clueless people are part of the problem. I was on council when it was reported, almost fell out of my chair and wanted to strangle Mr Clueless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, BRASSO said: It was quite remarkable reading on reddit the rationale by Genesis and their supporters for a hire that admitted to hugging and kissing a minor away from school grounds.. and having inappropriate, non education communication with the minor. Its depressing to know that there are such classic enablers still in the activity for these creepers caught and admitting to the incidents too. There was even a sentence that can only be construed as classic victim shaming in the press release by Genesis, imo.. It just demonstrates how much work DCI still has to do to change hiring practices as well as the too comfortable culture that allows former admitted sex offenders to find a sage haven in DCI Drum Corps apparently still. There are also shockingly too many defenders of these types of hires too in DCI. Such attitudes for the hires and retentions of these former people with admitted sexual indiscretions with minors show attitudes that one would expect in 1958, not here 2018. It seems lots of work remains to bring DCI Drum Corps culture and attitudes into the 21st century in some quarters still. The good news here however, is these people with such archaic thinking in feeble attempts to justify the hiring and retention of these people will most likely show in time that they were on the wrong side of both history and in responsible thinking, imo It’s hard to change attitudes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: It’s hard to change attitudes. Well, as we've heard expressed so many times before... " DCI needs to evolve with the times, or it will die ". DCI is changing right before our very eyes regarding weeding out sex offenders, and irresponsible people in charge of Corps when it comes to providing proper medical care for marchers on tour. Its too slow for many... but its clear to me, that the cleansing has at least to some small degree has now commenced in earnest. But it would appear that DCI has lots of work ahead still on this front. Edited August 25, 2018 by BRASSO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 A lot of bunker mentality going around here. Parsing sentences, proclaiming there was nothing Dan could do until April 2018. Well, no one in the public cares. No one will buy any "there's nothing we could do, you see the corps directors have all the power, you have to read the bylaws". Dan should have acted, EVEN IF he didn't know whether he had the authority to act. To the public he is the person in charge at DCI. Nothing is going to change that, whether we agree with it or not. Perception IS reality, and right now the perception is that the leader of DCI stood by and allowed all this crap to happen, and did not take action until pressure was applied by the press. No one cares about some - "but you don't understand, he didn't have the power to act" excuse. Because that's what it is, to everyone but a few insiders. Excuses justifying enabling these abusers. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MikeD said: "When you hear rumors about sexual misconductt and member mistreatment in drum corps, don't you have a duty to investigate them? And if the corps directors decide to just cover up and refuse to take action, don't you have an ethical duty to (A) resign (B) bring those problems to light in the press ?" You mentioned rumors. There are always rumors flying around. Without people coming forward to provide concrete examples, there is little he (or anyone in a similar position) can do. I hope the best thing out of all this is that people will feel more able to come forward and make themselves known. DCI did come forward with Pio once they received credible evidence, according to what has been stated. And no, he never has the ethical responsibility to resign or notify the press. If he, or DCI as an organization actually, discover illegal activity, in tat case informing relevant authorities is the ethical responsibility. Again I said if after investigating such rumors, finding misconduct, and reporting it to the directors who then take no action, as CEO he does have a responsibility to resign. In any case, the point I'm making is he was not "helpless", "unable to act", or any other silly thing. You ALWAYS have a choice you can make. His choice was to do nothing until the entire thing blew up in the press. He might have felt like he was acting in the best interests of the activity but he was certainly not acting the best interest of the members. Sorry -- he does not get a pass. Edited August 25, 2018 by karuna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 O Danny A, the press, the press is calling About the Corps, with sexual predator staff The season's over; the skeletons are falling From the closet. where you had thought that they were hiddn' Anyone want to try the next verse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 11:29 AM, cixelsyd said: Brevity and priority are two different things. Do you think that police prioritize speeding tickets over murders based on how long it takes to identify and arrest a murder suspect? The police detectives that investigate murders are usually not the same as the patrol officers that hand out traffic tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, BRASSO said: It was quite remarkable reading on reddit the rationale by Genesis and their supporters for an adult hire that admitted to hugging and kissing a minor away from school grounds.. and that adult having repeated, inappropriate, non education oriented communication with the minor. Its depressing to know that there are such classic enablers still in the activity for these untrustworthy off campus creepers caught and admitting to the incidents too. There was even a sentence that can only be construed as classic victim shaming in the press release by Genesis, imo.. It just demonstrates how much work DCI still has to do to change hiring practices as well as the too comfortable culture that allows former admitted sex offenders to find a safe haven in DCI Drum Corps apparently still. There are also shockingly too many defenders of these types of hires too in DCI. Such attitudes for the hires and retentions of these former people with admitted sexual indiscretions with minors show attitudes that one would expect in 1958, not here 2018. It seems lots of work remains to bring DCI Drum Corps culture and attitudes into the 21st century in some quarters still. The good news here however, is these people with such archaic thinking in feeble attempts to justify the hiring and retention of these people will most likely show in time that they were on the wrong side of both history and in responsible thinking, imo Especially when they blew the whistle on Moody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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