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How did this post get to this point?

Best answer on Corps " moves " so far, and I've got to tip my hat to you for that, anyway ( haha)

BD....winning

That's ok. You haven't done so leading up to now anyway. Why should I expect a change now?

We have had that thread already, several times over. Did you miss them all? Let me try another way of putting this into perspective. Say the G7 thing started back in 1972. Seven corps self-selected on the basis of 1972 results, presented a PowerPoint slide show in May 1973, did TOC shows in 1974 and 1975, and this MiM-renamed-back-to-TOC in 1976. In that context, your TOC show consists of the following corps (with their 1976 rankings in parentheses): Santa Clara Vanguard (3rd) 27th Lancers (5th) Blue Stars (9th) Troopers (13th) Argonne Rebels (18th) Kingsmen (19th) Des Plaines Vanguard (31st) Meanwhile, pick seven non-TOC corps: Blue Devils (1st) Madison Scouts (2nd) Phantom Regiment (4th) Bridgemen (6th) Cavaliers (7th) Oakland Crusaders (8th) Seneca Optimists (10th) Will the 1976 TOC show draw the bigger crowd?

Apparently not enough.

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Regiment made a promotional video for NFL.com. http://www.nfl.com/runrichrun

Madison's Fleur de lis tend's to make appearances.

You know you"re old school when you are completely bored with the modern day Drum Corps, all of which play "modern symphonic neuvo chic progressive advanced concerto for the new classical symphonic movement for the 3rd baroque bowel movement"...& you miss Jazz, Swing, Spanish, Scottish, & British themed music & corps.

You care about the 1975 Muchachos disqualification.

If you marched in the National Dream contest at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City, NJ.

Wait, let's not let go of a VERY obvious distinction here. When you see a military drill team, you see what is a *real* rifle. When you see it on a marching field, you see a white-taped, wooden representation of a rifle. In other words, it's an obvious fake. The reasons we have rifles are the same exact reasons that drum corps has the instruments it does; bugles were used on the battlefield, and so were snare drums. Soldiers in full dress used plumes on their hats, and have always worn funny costumes. The marching activity, particularly drum corps, is derived from military field bands, and have a more military-driven lineage than do marching bands that were derived from more academic (though often still militaristic) roots. Suggesting that things should evolve further in whatever sense is a valid opinion. Suggesting that a major symbolic representation of the activity should leave because its real, actual counterpart is a similar item to things that are militaristic is totally, completely circular. Drum corps is from the military, but they use fake rifles that are symbolic of rifles used in the military, therefore they should be removed. Huh? If you believe that: Sabres should be illegal, because they're symbolic of swords and sabres of the military. Flags should be illegal, because they're symbolic of flags used on the battlefield, and by militaries everywhere. Brass instruments should be removed, because occasionally, they wake up soldiers in the morning, and used to signal retreats and charges. Drums should be removed because militaries used them to move soldiers along in marches in a rhythmic fashion, and used them to give a more ominous appearance of size to opposing armies. The field should not be used, because armies have had battles on grass fields for millenia, and using grass in that fashion resembles too closely to the way some militaries use fields for marching around on. We should even stop using busses, since busses are commonly used to transport soldiers from base to base within a country. OK, are we PC yet?

TAMA MARCHING PERCUSSION ANNOUNCES PARTNERSHIP WITH HORN MAKER KANSTUL MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS Bensalem – Just as the dust was starting to settle on Tama’s auspicious 2011 entry into the marching percussion market, the drum builder has unleashed another surprise: Tama Marching Percussion has announced it will join forces with the venerable marching brass company Kanstul Musical Instruments. “We worked with numerous band directors during the development of our marching percussion line,” says Tama USA product manager Charlie Hayashi. “They were the ones who first suggested that a partnership with a quality brass manufacturer would be helpful, in terms of the school bid process. We kept that in mind as the next step after launching.” The link to Kanstul was drum master Tom Float, who in collaboration with visionary Tama leader Ken Hoshino, developed Tama Marching Percussion’s innovative drum products. Knowing both Kanstul and Hoshino, Float saw the strong potential in an introduction, based on their similarities. Both Ken Hoshino and Zig Kanstul had developed reputations for being as strong a guiding force on the shop floor as they are in the conference room. Located in Anaheim, California, one mile east of Disneyland, Kanstul launched Kanstul Musical Instruments in 1981. Before that, his lifelong dedication to creating fine brass instruments had led him to the position of Vice President of Manufacturing for C.G. Conn, and previous to that as superintendent in charge of R&D for F.E. Olds. Tama’s Charlie Hayashi voices the company’s excitement about the new relationship: “Our commitment to combining groundbreaking hardware with great sounding drums has made the marching percussion industry sit up and take notice. Our partnership with Kanstul will make our collective products an easy choice for band directors.” The drum company states its mission as: “Tama is applying its four decades of high-quality drum-making expertise to the marching drum market. We intend to serve marching percussion artists by solving the design problems left unaddressed by the status quo equipment makers. These solutions will maximize the drummer's comfort, safety, and performance, contributing to a richer performance experience.”

I have been wondering if anyone knows where the term "Plates" originated from or like the history?

The point he was making was simply that there is a recognition among some groups that the current model is not sustainable for so many groups. There are two options... 1. Change the model 2. Reduce the number of groups If the model is not changed, it is truly survival of the fittest. It is those that pretend the model is sustainable and that dramatic changes are not needed that threaten the future of the activity. There needs to be much more creativity in thinking about how drum corps can be run and generate revenue. There also needs to be an acknowledgement that if things are not changed quickly, there will only be a handful of corps left a few years from now anyway, rendering null the whole argument of emphasis on a few corps. If things don't change, quickly, this will happen anyway by default.

They took a while to find but I promise you I wear them often.

You are " old school " if " the Children of Sanchez " wasn't a song, but who marched in your Corps.

Check it out! New logo looks great. http://www.pacific-crest.org/2013/02/a-new-look/

I'm with you, Jeff. DCA, and every other organization, can benefit from MORE participants. We are past the period when anyone can be "selective." The whole YEA, Cadets2, development has been something DCA needs badly. That being additional participants. We are in NO position to nitpick over details. One might actually hate George Hopkins and YEA, but what George and YEA have added to DCA is a positive component to DCA. I welcome that. Bring 'em on!

I've had this discussion before. The BD and Phantom Dynasty lines sounded nothing alike. Go listen to 2008.

Keith Moon... ok, we "won't get fooled again".

Oh please....a 2 post exchange hardly equates to something "going on." I took the reply the way Boxing Fred probably intended. Lighten up, Francis.

now, now he didn't declare it gospel. he couldn't, we're between Popes right now

What's this nonsense about "rotors" ? Old school means "slides!! The dead end in Branch Brook Park Winter practice at Elizabeth Armory, with another corps waiting till you were done for their 2 hours. Five or Six shows ayear in Newark

Well PARDON ME!!! You've takin up over HALF THIS THREAD with YOUR baseless statements!!! We may as well re-name this thread "The Gospel According to Brasso"!!!!

I knew I had forgotten one. I know they ended the show in the wedge, but did they actually do the crab-step into it? Second part, was that addressed to me?

:doh:/> :wall:/> How about we use DCI...and DCI n ONLY since DCI is the ONLY example that would be relevant to DCI topics!! :wall:/>

When done right, It doesn't matter. It's all Good!

I have to say, in 2012 for such a small corps, you guys were awesome. Best of luck in the upcoming season. i hope you have tons of kids auditioning this year.

There's definitely room for criticism about the way they did Common Man. I like Fanfare, but I did kinda find it annoying that when they did get to playing the (verbatim?) fanfare ballad, it was like, the fifth time it showed up in the show. And I noticed that the long note ending fanfare had a ton of glaring holes in it, people dropping out to breath and coming in out of the texture the whole time. Am I the only one with a broken blu ray disc with a bad recording or something? I think there are more than a few people who find it hard to believe they deserved feet, though. Especially considering they were 2nd or below by healthy margins in every other visual category pretty much the whole season, the fact that they eeked out 2 tenths ahead of BD in feet the last two nights of the season was just strange to say the least. I mean, people have always been saying that Crown manages to get some pretty high feet scores considering how dirty they tend to be, not only in 2012. For some reason I just can't buy that their show was so much harder visually than anyone else's that it was enough to win feet for how dirty they were compared to BD or Cadets or PR (none of whom had easy shows) They do sound good on the move, but the general case in 2012 was they played their loud stuff in half time or at the big halts and their mezzo rhythmic stuff at their big running moves. The exceptions would be a few moments in the opener and the closer. People always accuse BD of pulling that crap but Crown does it just the same.

Crossmen Maltese Cross.

I really like Jordan's yellow pants (/shorts?).

Chris Maher of corpsreps.com has always been receptive to hearing about corrections. I often find things to be corrected or added when I do a weekly article on another website, and Chris never fails to send a thank you note when I send in the corrections or additions. I encourage all who find such entries in need of correction to send them in to Chris.

The short answer is that Open Class Corps come from a wide geographical region literally covering from Coast to Coast, and into Canada. They benefit not so much from their association with the World Class, as they do to the organization of DCI itself. If the elite Corps believe that they need the organization of DCI ( they currently do, as they'd have left after 2011 )then you can be sure that these Open Class corps need DCI even more than they do at this point in time. Though imperfect, DCI provides them needed centralization and economies of scale.... national competition at Championships, needed access to marketing, event advertising, camp info, videos, access to DCI judges, seminar and instruction attendance, rules and regs updates, and 100 other things that they can not get if they were separated from all the national and international branding and umbrella marketing that DCI provides to them, their staff, their marchers,their alums, their fans, etc. If they lost their DCI afiliation they would quickly die, imo. There are simply too few of them now in much too wide a geographical span of miles now to exist on their own without DCI.

I'm sure EVERYONE knows who you are talking about. I always felt sorry for her on RAMD, as she was obviously a person with problems far beyond drum corps.

A few of my thoughts, as I was there for part of this. 22. "Tommy" did march timpani in Cavaliers. I never knew he had auditioned for Muchachos. 23: I remember "Tommy" telling staff that he knew of multiple members who were over-age. I never heard the personal grudge element. 26: "Tommy" didn't hide behind adults. He was surrounded by fellow Cavaliers as Muchachos came off the field at World Open Finals. This was a year the show was not at the Manning Bowl, but at the stadium in Everett. Don Warren expressed that he was troubled that he now knew of potential over-age members, and I sensed he felt a moral obligation to look into it. I was one of the few Cavaliers that were asked to surround Tommy and one of our bus drivers as Muchachos came off the field in Finals. The bus driver had a camera. "Tommy" stated he believed there were multiple over-age members, but when the corps came off the field, he was unable to point on more than the Roto-tom player and I clearly remember him being upset that he couldn't find the others during the quick passage of the corps out of the stadium after their performance. The bus driver followed the Roto-tom player and snapped a photo of him. 27. The bus driver was not a father and had no connection at all with the corps, other than being the bus driver assigned by the charter company to drive for the tour. 28. That is correct. 29. Ironically, Cavaliers were on just after Muchachos in the 1975 DCI World Championships Prelims. Here's what I remember, and these memories are still stunningly clear due to where I was in the corps line-up as we left the field. As we left the field, we were stopped (for reasons I don't remember) at the edge of the Franklin Field infield. As clear as I remember what I had for lunch, I was within ten feet of Don Pesceone and Jim Jones, director of Troopers, (who were sitting in 13th place). Jones had the DCI rule book in his hand and had it opened to a specific page. He was emphatically pointing out to Pesceone that the rules clearly stated that proof of over-age members necessitated a corps' disqualification. Muchachos had finished their show only 15 minutes before we had. Pesceone may well have went to the parking lot with Warren...I wasn't there for that. But he was certainly back in the stadium with Jones by the time we left the field. 30. I was never aware of any bad feelings contributing to the decision. I do remember Don Warren talking to us about what happened and asking us to put ourselves in the shoes of the members of Muchachos and to not joke or gloat about it. He appeared pained and was taking no personal satisfaction in being involved in the scenario. Epilogue #2: The two over-aged members of the 1989 Santa Clara Vanguard were British nationals who forged their birth certificates and presented those forged certificates when they came into the United States...a federal crime. SCV thoroughly checked out all the birth certificates of their members and did not pick up on any discrepancies...but then, if the immigration authorities didn't, how would they do so? As soon as Gail Royer found out about the members, he threw them out of the corps and decided to march Finals with two holes. It seems to me the big difference in the two scenarios is Muchachos management and staff knew about having over-age members, while SCV management and staff, despite due diligence, had no idea. That's why the decision was made to not disqualify SCV. The organization was in part a victim of the circumstance...not an accomplice.

You got that part correct anyway. Disqualification from participation in the Finals is not supposed to be determined by " ignorance ". The Corps has the ultimate responsibility to do their due diligence and see to it that no marcher marches until they are are absolutely certain that marcher qualifies as both... TWO... here clearly did not. If a Corps has utlized overage members in competition in DCI at anytime during the season, similar to the Muchachos, they are to be disqualified once that becomes known to DCI. SCV was not disqualified however once it came to light as they should have been, as Muchachos were in their case. DCI Hall of Famer Dennis Deluca here has it right regarding the misapplication and unfairness of the rules regarding the Hawthorne Muchachos and the Santa Clara Vanguard. He is also correct that half the Corps in 1975 utilized overage marchers, but only the Muchachos in 1975 were disqualified from their participation at the DCI Finals in Philadelphia after their prelims performance ( where they might have won it all... we'll never know... same as SCV did in '89 )

if you waited for Drum Corps News to arrive in the mail if you knew Fleetwood's mailing address by heart

- runners returning the judges' sheets to the tabulator table....along with the bag sliding down the cable from the press box - prelim scores being written in Magic Marker on placards and taped to a big board down at the far corner of the field - when souvenir tables were often a single table for many corps - when you learned how to play a horn in your corps and then went to H.S. and didn't know what that third valve was for (and what happened to the rotor)?

You are not " old school " if you refer to it as a " trumpet ". ( just kidding) You ARE " old school " however, if everyone you knew when you marched understood that a " Tuba " is something that is used in a Marching Band, while that instrument carried up over the shoulder in the brass line in Drum Corps is called a " Contrabass ".

You know you are old school when you remember the Hamms Indians asking to borrow a few pieces of equipment because they left some behind in order to make room for beer on their truck.

You are "old School " when you don't recall " water breaks ", but you recall " smoke breaks "

From what I've heard, Tama is in works with a mallet instrument maker. And that company makes one expensive marimba.

it's a good start

I go home after prelims every year anyway.

Boston Crusaders '11 Baritone Solo.

oh, so they'll look like Crown, but in Blue