George Dixon Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 To clarify, I'm not throwing any BD shade, but rather expressing my opinion, as I believe the BD has never been an awesome corps as far as drill is concerned. Lol. Thanks for the clarification smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejaw Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 To clarify, I'm not throwing any BD shade, but rather expressing my opinion, as I believe the BD has never been an awesome corps as far as drill is concerned. I'm not trying to start anything other than understand others opinions, and I welcome anyone who reads this post to respond. Felliniesque had brilliant drill to body writing. Brilliant. I saw them from the side a couple times (that was my age out year) and it was phenomenal. I marched a World Class finalist all of my years and from the side that show was clean. The tambourine girls didn't hurt either. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 If you don't mind, can you please provide commentary on your ranking of the top 5? As I would like to better understand your prediction, as I currently believe Crown has the strongest visual package of the top 3 at the current moment. Furthermore, I am basing my opinion on the amount of drill Crown is marching in comparison to the rest of the top 5, including but not limited too body movement/dancing, and strength of their color guard. Visually I would then rank Bloo (visual is mostly body movement/dancing, color guard is pretty good, and running into to formations without playing) behind them is the Blue Devils (marching the least amount of drill of the top 5 but have a good mix of visual elements), then SCV (well designed drill based on show theme) and Cadets (who IMHO are adjusting to a new show delivery model and don't appear to gel to me at the current moment). I decided to go ahead and watch Bloo's show and BD's show after reading you post and I'm kind of scratching my head at how you think BD is marching less drill than Bloo. Bluecoats are literally not marching for the first 2 minutes of their show, not marching at all in their ballad, and in between those two movements, most of the drill is follow the leader running around the field. The meat of Bloo's drill comes mostly from the end of the opener, end of the 2nd movement, and all of their closer. Yes, BD does some of the same running follow the leader type drill in their show but they're still marching atleast half the opener, a bit of the second movement (about a minute out of 4), half the ballad, and all of the closer. Maybe we have different definitions of what drill is, but I'm not really seeing what you are. I agree that Crown, Cadets, and SCV have meatier visual programs than BD and Bloo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry7184 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 To clarify, I'm not throwing any BD shade, but rather expressing my opinion, as I believe the BD has never been an awesome corps as far as drill is concerned. I'm not trying to start anything other than understand others opinions, and I welcome anyone who reads this post to respond. I will agree that their drill isn't the most compelling, but they are just so darn near perfect at everything they do - playing, marching, spinning. They know how to work the sheets better than anyone else, and until the criteria changes, they will keep winning, due to their amazing staff and top-notch talent. If I were marching today, I would choose Crown, SCV or Madison, as I'd rather march one of their shows than BDs, but I can see why top talent goes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cop Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 We wish you had provided us your full preseason placement predictions too, Cop. I've been playing the "prediction thread" since the start of DCP... I actually went back to find my 2016 predictions.. I'll look again. I was reading every page from the start and got caught up in the shenanigans.. I predict I had Cavies too low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboogey73 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 If you don't mind, can you please provide commentary on your ranking of the top 5? As I would like to better understand your prediction, as I currently believe Crown has the strongest visual package of the top 3 at the current moment. Furthermore, I am basing my opinion on the amount of drill Crown is marching in comparison to the rest of the top 5, including but not limited too body movement/dancing, and strength of their color guard. Visually I would then rank Bloo (visual is mostly body movement/dancing, color guard is pretty good, and running into to formations without playing) behind them is the Blue Devils (marching the least amount of drill of the top 5 but have a good mix of visual elements), then SCV (well designed drill based on show theme) and Cadets (who IMHO are adjusting to a new show delivery model and don't appear to gel to me at the current moment). I'd first point out that "amount of drill" is not a caption and has no bearing on the scores. In simple terms, BD and Coats have the strongest overall shows with regard to the captions. I think Cadets are poised to surge late season. Crowns drumline, while improved, will still cost them a spot or two and I don't think they'll place in the top 2 in GE. SCV vs Cavies may be a slug fest. I have Cavies as a sleeper bronze contender. That's a little ambitious, but eff it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) I've been playing the "prediction thread" since the start of DCP... I actually went back to find my 2016 predictions.. I'll look again. I was reading every page from the start and got caught up in the shenanigans.. I predict I had Cavies too low I didn't look at my 2016 preseason placement predictions,cop.. I'm pretty sure its on here somewhere... and I'm pretty sure I predicted the Blue Devils for the win. I've been betting on that horse to win every year since they've opened this site, I think.. I wish we had off track betting here on DCP. I would've been able to buy Miami by riding the Blue Devils to victory. ( haha!) Edited July 14, 2016 by BRASSO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1. Blue Devils 2. Bluecoats 3. Carolina Crown 4. Cadets 5. SCV [gap] 6. Cavaliers 7. Blue Knights 8. Phantom Regiment 9. Madison Scouts 10. Crossmen 11. Blue Stars 12. Academy Pretty hard to predict that top five. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDCorno Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 To clarify, I'm not throwing any BD shade, but rather expressing my opinion, as I believe the BD has never been an awesome corps as far as drill is concerned. I'm not trying to start anything other than understand others opinions, and I welcome anyone who reads this post to respond. If you define drill as pedestrian marching a la 1980's drum corps, then I can sort of see what you're saying. I don't know what "never" means either. For all I know, you could be 18 years old and not even familiar with much of history. During the 1970s and 1980s, they did some pretty incredible drill for the time. It's a different day now, and most shows (with the exception of Cadets, who at least up to the show this year, stubbornly clung to traditional drill) are a mix of staging and drill. From what I see of Blue Devils so far, it's a much more drill-centric show than the past couple of years. Some of the stuff they do is pretty meaty. Not sure if you have access to video, but the sequence from the end of the ballad to the "blob" after the flourishes is brilliant, difficult and pretty well performed already. If you are going to Indy, I invite you to one of their rehearsals...stand at field level at the sideline and you'll probably get a far different perspective than sitting at your computer watching a video. Very hard to see all they're being asked to do from a video. The difficulty of, and the amount of distance they're covering at times is quite impressive, but they do it well and it doesn't seem all that remarkable without that perspective. Someone else posted re/Coats and their drill, and I concur fully. They've gone to a staging-based approach, with long periods of static body work, followed by essentially running around and behind the props. Lather, rinse, repeat. What drill they do have (which is far less than the past few years, which I've loved) is a huge dropoff from what they customarily do. For me, they've kind of overshot on the staging concept in lieu of drill. It's my belief that this will cost them, unless they do some rewrites and put some meat back on the plate. Until then, I think it's BD and Crown frontrunning, Coats and Cadets chasing. Will be interested to see what Marc Sylvester can do with Cadets in the remaining few weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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