Jeff Ream Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 thats a 2014 spread with a show thats not 2014. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Onionhead2 said: How does Boston get 3rd in brass and 2nd in percussion, but end up 5th in Music - Analysis ? 2 field captions, and one in the box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: thats a 2014 spread with a show thats not 2014. I think this is more of a case of BD just being way more well-rounded than everyone else rather than just being flat out better than everyone else like they were with Felliniesque 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStainGlass Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, Cappybara said: I feel like much of that is to no fault of their own, however. I think Cavies will surge later into the season The GE and Visual numbers are design though and those are struggling. Cadets, mandarins, and Phantom could easily fit into that mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStainGlass Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, Onionhead2 said: How does Boston get 3rd in brass and 2nd in percussion, but end up 5th in Music - Analysis ? Judging individuals vs judging the whole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdaddy Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, BlueStainGlass said: The GE and Visual numbers are design though and those are struggling. That's theoretically true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWise Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Onionhead2 said: How does Boston get 3rd in brass and 2nd in percussion, but end up 5th in Music - Edited July 20, 2022 by BWise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouserCD Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I have enjoyed the discussion on this post over the scores from last night. It reminds me of the arguments (where you argue your case) we used to have at the judges critiques (under the bleachers) after the shows. Those discussions were often over the content/difficulty scores. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, spacewill said: Don't need a title of judge to hear the music. BD did not win brass. And GE is just a joke. I've said it for many years regarding BD. They get the benefit of the doubt when there's an issue. I specifically remember hearing some trumpet dirt in their '1930' show in Riverside, and the judges had them ahead despite the obvious issues. In 2019 I heard brass issues show after show, especially at the San Bernardino show, and later shows, and they still were beating the Cavaliers in brass until the end. It took all season for someone to call them out on their brass. Last night they had some very noticeable guard issues, that were picked up in the guard score, but totally ignored in the visual captions. Yes, I think the BD use their props better than everyone else. Their design is the best. ...that, however, shouldn't boost the numbers to the point of being better than everyone else when they have some issues to address. Caption Bleed galore... ...and 1.7 points with THAT show? Yawn Honestly, I'm not feeling this season so far. Lots of disappointing shows. There's not a lot of cohesion in so many of the designs, including BD, SCV, Cavaliers, and Crown. It's just a bunch of stuff that they're trying to mix together that doesn't mix together, and it shows. Bluecoats have done a good job of being more cohesive than the other corps previously mentioned. Cadets have done a wonderful job of coordinating all the pieces of music into a cohesive and pleasing package. Phantom Regiment has done an excellent job of constructing a cohesive and pleasing design. Blue Stars have done a great job, but I don't totally love the show despite WANTING to love the show. Mandarins might have the most cohesive show, imho. Boston is refining and layering, and are better than the first group I mentioned, and I hope they can add more. Troopers show makes sense, but Crossmen's show doesn't really. Blue Knights is disjointed. Colts' show makes sense. Music City's design is cohesive, and flows well. Everyone, except the Cavaliers are cleaning up nicely. I do hope that other corps don't get sick. ...and if this type of design, aka the TM, is what the judges are going to reward then I'm going to severely cut back on my future ticket purchasing. BD's winning is a symptom of a greater problem in the activity. One organization has become too powerful and too influential in the marching band and drum corps arena. That happens when you own the two largest marching band circuits in America (Western Bands and USBands), and are planning on starting a winter guard circuit as well ( if what I've been told is true). It is a winning business model for ONE organization. This situation isn't likely to ever change until fans start voting with their feet with ticket purchase and FLO subscriptions. As I've been saying forever. The emperor has NO clothes! Another corps umbrella organization needs to do this too... **cough** Boston. Edited July 20, 2022 by jjeffeory 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBo1974 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, jjeffeory said: I've said it for many years regarding BD. They get the benefit of the doubt when there's an issue. I specifically remember hearing some trumpet dirt in their '1930' show in Riverside, and the judges had them ahead despite the obvious issues. In 2019 I heard brass issues show after show, especially at the San Bernardino show, and later shows, and they still were beating the Cavaliers in brass until the end. It took all season for someone to call them out on their brass. Last night they had some very noticeable guard issues, that were picked up in the guard score, but totally ignored in the visual captions. Yes, I think the BD use their props better than everyone else. Their design is the best. ...that, however, shouldn't boost the numbers to the point of being better than everyone else when they have some issues to address. Caption Bleed galore... ...and 1.7 points with THAT show? Yawn Honestly, I'm not feeling this season so far. Lots of disappointing shows. There's not a lot of cohesion in so many of the designs, including BD, SCV, Cavaliers, and Crown. It's just a bunch of stuff that they're trying to mix together that doesn't mix together, and it shows. Bluecoats have done a good job of being more cohesive than the other corps previously mentioned. Cadets have done a wonderful job of coordinating all the pieces of music into a cohesive and pleasing package. Phantom Regiment has done an excellent job of constructing a cohesive and pleasing design. Blue Stars have done a great job, but I don't totally love the show despite WANTING to love the show. Mandarins might have the most cohesive show, imho. Boston is refining and layering, and are better than the first group I mentioned, and I hope they can add more. Troopers show makes sense, but Crossmen's show doesn't really. Blue Knights is disjointed. Colts' show makes sense. Music City's design is cohesive, and flows well. Everyone, except the Cavaliers are cleaning up nicely. I do hope that other corps don't get sick. ...and if this type of design, aka the TM, is what the judges are going to reward then I'm going to severely cut back on my future ticket purchasing. BD's winning is a symptom of a greater problem in the activity. One organization has become too powerful and too influential in the marching band and drum corps arena. That happens when you own the two largest marching band circuits in America (Western Bands and USBands). It is a winning business model for ONE organization. This situation isn't likely to ever change until fans start voting with their feet with ticket purchase and FLO subscriptions. As I've been saying forever. The emperor has NO clothes! Well said. Agree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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