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no offense, but if I got my ### booteed out finals week for doing something stupid/illegal, I'd deserve all the crap in the world. I'd expect staff to be ready to kill, fans, members...you name it. you can use the old "kids are kids" approach but sorry, this kid got and will get no sympathy for me. he put his corps in a bad light, made his feelow members spend many hours learning to cover for his sorry ###.....anyone that has sympathy is obviously someone not familiar with personal accountability and common sense.

Sorry. I forgot this was DCP and that nothing could left implicit. For the literal-minded that sentence should have began "If you guys really want to hear more details about this incident beyond the well-known facts given in this thread, you need to talk to such and so, rather than just any member of BD 2000, who is likely as in the dark about the incident as most of us." Not "we need to hear from them or we'll simply die from inappropriate curiosity." I'm sure they don't want to talk about it, as I'm sure they're all still suffering intense PTSD from this horrifying, life-wrecking trauma that occurred a mere eleven years ago.

I just saw the 2012 list, they won that too......

Interested to see what Key Poulan does arrangement wise. I think he'll be a good fit.

The entire PR organization should be proud of this achievement! To no surprise, the emotional, passionate, crowd-pleasing shows PR is known for seem to have the greatest impact and memory. http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=8d002bf7-f0fe-4f92-9876-ad053d93f321

1986 Star of Indiana ("Adventures on Earth") is DCI.org Download of the Week

Congratulations to the Blue Knights and their fans on your thrilling Drums Across the Rockies win yesterday. The way you handled the Steel City Ambassadors was impressive, even if it's becoming obvious they are a hobbled, elderly Senior Corps. That 80-yard drill move you ended your show with was great, and done at whiplash speed! You will have a much tougher task this weekend against the Boston Crusaders at the Beanpot Invitational in Foxboro. I may not get to see the game live, so I may have to Tebow it. Err... meant TiVo. Should you survive, you will be heading for a matchup with either the Yankee Rebels Alumni in Baltimore, or Gulf Coast Sound in Houston. Good luck in your journey to the DCI Championships at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy next month. According to seeding, if you make it that far, you will likely march against either the Madison Scouts or Blue Devils, as they are the top seeds in the other bracket, though those pesky Bleu Raeders are looking mighty tough.

Either that Jeff... or threy just marched in the 80's when this was rampant in Drum Corps. I even hear that people from corps out west, partook with kids from eastern corps as they found one another at various shows. It was considered something NOT TO DO THEN AS WELL... Was it a good thing... No... Was it stupid... yes... should this kid have been treated worse that kids wetre some 16 plus years prior for the same infractions? that I do not believe should be done...

When I first heard the show in the early season I remember liking the music...thinking.."This is the Phantom Reg". Finally saw them live in Allentown..really liked the show...and after seeing them at Giants Stadium the Sunday before DCI finals...I was completely hooked. They may not have received the most ecstatic crowd reaction...but on finals night..they clearly had the longest standing ovation.....awesome :)

I just wish the judges had downloaded them more over the years as well.

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I understand what you are saying... but to be honest I think its something you should PM the father about instead of posting a comment like that on here. Yes, I know you should post your thoughts, but I kinda don't want to read that type of stuff on here. (by the way I didn't -1 you... just stating my opinion.)

I agree gbass598 !!!!

wow, a whopping 17 we can add another $W guard to the list,all of a sudden logan h.s. will now be making the trip to compete in dayton for championships!

Just noticed that SW is up to 16 now, and Aimachi was added to IW...Can't wait to see them in Dayton!!

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I wouldn't call talking to high school kids after rehearsal "mentoring," but perhaps that's just me.

I must say, I am confused.

Weird dream last night for me! I dreamed I won a lot of money and decided to spend some on bringing back a drum corps....it just so happened it was the 27th Lancers. How weird!!!!

Some of us think the most horrible incident to occur during 2000 finals was.... C H R Y S T A L ! ! ! !

I take no issues with most arrangements. As a Scouts alum, I'm not a big fan of the 1996 version. I also like some things that the Cadets did with it in 2003, although the trumpet trio could have played louder. I think far and away though the 1980 version by Madison was the best.

Let's review the bidding.....BD bass drummer sneaks on the field (after being ousted from the corps) and plays finals..... vs..... Jeff Ream naked during an underwear run-thru..........tough call!

Gotcha, Jim. Rifles NOT ALLOWED in Opening Ceremony. YES ALLOWED in closing ceremony.

I miss being able to seeing 10-12 competitors in a show with very little time between the competing corps. When one corps stepped off the Starting Line, the corps on the Ready Line moved up. No need for extra time between performances to set up the pitted percussion, set up amplifiers and sound systems, conduct mike check, setting up "field props", laying out extra equipment for dancing color guards.

We're thrilled to announce that our friends at the Historical Society of Berks County's monthly "Second Saturday" program this month will feature the Reading Buccaneers. We're honored that this important community organization has chosen to feature the Buccaneers, and we're really looking forward to sharing our story. Presenters will include several folks who've been part of the Balance in Blue from Day One: Founder Bruce Englehart Former Corps Director Bruce Young Community Liaison Terry Rohrbach Corps Historian Donnie Solinger Current Corps Director James Gruber Public Relations Manager Tom Moore If you're in the area, please stop by for the program! 940 Centre Avenue Reading, PA 19601 610-375-4375 Program begins at 10:00 a.m. Refreshments served at 9:30 a.m. Cost to Historical Society non-members is $5 www.berkshistory.org

There is no doubt that Star United is amazing. And I appreciate the comments about the Ghost Riders as well. To be mentioned in the same paragraph with Star United is a real tribute to what we do up here in "parts unknown". Donny

They were Rifles... I can also see my feet (5th tenor from left)

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Me too. AAG didn't have rifles and contras since 1973. They had tours in Europe 1972 (Summer Olympics), 1973, 1974 and 1977 (a 10 week wonderful drum corps tour of 13 Countries that I had the pleasure of being part of :)

27th Lancers 1980—my favorite show drum corps show of all time with 1981 close behind and 1977 also in the running but for sentimental reasons Anaheim Kingsmen 1977 Never aw the glory years--really should have made finals that year. Blue Devils 1979 Blue Stars 1979—they had a special spark in the 1970’s. I miss it. Boston Crusaders 1977 or 78 similar shows, similar excitement Bridgemen 1981—they were descending into drum corps history at that point but their show was just plan enjoyable Cadets 1980—my favorite feel good show of all time Carolina Crown 2011—Can anyone help but love this show? Cavaliers 1979—they just returned to finals and haven’t been absent since Guardsmen 1978 Just enjoyed it Kilts 1976—I know, it was a disaster year for them but I saw them live for the first time at the CYO Nationals, didn’t know what a good drum corps was, and enjoyed them. Madison Scouts tie 1977 gotta love Bernstein and 1996, a pure feast of Madison glories Muchachos 1976 Again not a banner year, but I saw them live for the first time and if for nothing else than sympathy, yet audience made them feel like heroes. I got caught up in the moment. North Star 1979 Probably their best year competitively, they should have ppalced higher at DCI. Phantom Regiment—1979 no theme but great selection of music. Santa Clara Vanguard 88 or 89 Sky Riders 1988 it’s the “Sound of Music” even the hardest heart has to love this show Spirit of Atlanta 1978 They were still brand new and I found them exciting Troopers 1979—I was just glad to see them back in the finals

Can I at least be displeased with the copyright owners who denied the rights with regard to an essentially non-profit activity? Corporations sponsor and donate money to such activities all the time. Could they not have donated the rights or made them affordable for such a limited use?

Yes and no...Sure it's promotion, but it's more. Using transmedia (a combination of print, video, and other multi-media technologies) is another way of engaging with the audience, and extending the experience. Drum Corps is no longer about just 11 minutes on a field in the summer...It's 24x7, all year long. Drum Corps is a lot more than just about the competitions...Any media experience that brings fans and other marchers closer to that experience, and sharing it from different points of view, only increases drum corps' reach as an entertainment media. In short, it ain't all just advertising...

A person such as yourself, one who is only interested in the elite corps and has been more than condescending to all other corps, cannot seem to get anyone interested in supporting the corps you want to spit and dump on. Wow, imagine that!

Not talking about "hype". I'm talking about the sheer amount of information and media and the cadets have been putting out. I mean here we are in January and the Cadets are still sharing NEW FOOTAGE from last year. Not about hype, I'm talking about their media/info presence in the off season and on-season. Seems more than any other corps and its much appreciated!

... and the Ballentine Brewers ... :-)

Lighten up Francis. You take it too seriously.

Lots of exciting things happening at Bucs camp this weekend!!!! Come and be part of an amazing journey with one of the greatest of all drum corps!!!Of course that is just my opinion...

I knew one kid who was in a corps that wore wool cadet jackets. His mom decided to do him a "favor" and washed it for him. When it came out it was so small a midget couldn't fit into it.

I just posted this on another thread and I thought I would do so here as well. I went to http://madisonscouts...couts/Home.html and noticed that there are a LOT of 2012 announcements such as "staff additions", "tour schedules" and such, but no announcement or even a mention about the show. I have a very strong feeling that the Facebook post was pre-mature and not a complete representation of what this show will really be.

Taking kids into the corps without auditions, regardless of their ability to play a G-BUGLE or percussion, or whether or not they could read music. We all joined in and helped them to rise above inexperience, and somehow found spots for them to fit in if they stuck wth it. Practicing year-round WAS our "social calendar." Not being able to understand that some people didn't "get" why being in a drum corps was different than being in a "marching band." (Half-time PA announcer: "The band will now form a choo-choo train on the field!") Having drum corps "rival-friends" all over the country.

Anywhere where the crowd goes mad for your performance....

I don't think they can hold up to last year because of minor staff changes and poor vet retention(oops)....

What do you expect? Most of the spectators had just watched 20 IW (and 20 SW) guards before that. There isn't really anywhere right by UD Arena to eat, and the IW semis got finished A) at or near rush hour on a torn-up I-75, and B) at the time when restaurants would start seeing the dinner rush. After watching as many as 40 guards wrapping up at what would be a reasonable early dinner hour, with rush hour traffic to get somewhere decent to eat, is it any surprise the stands would be mostly empty for most of IA finals? People may be ok with arena concessions during the event, but most want to get at least one good meal during the day, and unfortunately for IA, they are always going to be the class that gets caught in that situation. If finals were ever in Indy it would be somewhat different since there are so many places to eat within a 10 minute walk of either Lucas Oil or Conseco Fieldhouse (I know, there's not much point in moving finals 100 miles away from where it currently is.... but one can always dream).

Love your choices of corps you miss.

The fact that it was accoustic. Lots of corps everywhere - several in even the medium sized cities. Hometown corps full of kids that actually lived there. Affordable drum corps - for the members and the fans. Going to shows and seeing corps you never heard of before. Shows in easy driving distance - every weekend.

G bugles, the whole corps marched (even the tymp and mallet players) Valve/rotor horns no less. the hard corps rivalries, riding in a bus for hours on end (praying the bus would not break down) The smell of bus exhaust. Off the line actually meant something. Open class corps (NOT world class) that had kids that were actually as young as 13 years old, and local! Ah the good old days.

I miss the local circuits. I miss knowing every kid in my corps. Hell, we were all from the same neighborhood, grew up together, went to school together, hung around together, etc. I miss knowing most of the kids in every corps we competed against. Went to school with many of them, too. In the Boston area, in the 1950s and 1960s you couldn't walk five blocks in any direction without meeting some one you knew from drum corps. There were about a hundred drum corps, drill teams, and bands within 50 miles of the Massachusetts State House. It was a huge, and for the most part, friendly community. Guys from all over the area marched together in the Princemen after their junior corps time was up. Later, many of us judged corps together, instructed corps together. Even later we marched with each other again in the Legends of Drum Corps, or in some of the fine alumni corps that still persevere in the area. During that time I loved just going to rehearsals and working out with the great people I grew up with. Those great days are almost gone forever. Drum Corps kids today will never get the same opportunity. In the 50s and 60s we had more corps in the Boston area than now exist in the entire world. The same is true for Metro NYC, metro, Philadelphia, metro Chicago. Those of us who are still alive now finally realize how lucky we were.

Please refer to posts #6 #7 and ah... #8 Not to mention shows like the Dream, the World and U.S. Open where the fans were rabid and the stands were full!

Grassroots community-based corps with local kids participating, not college students from all over the country. No "seeding" for standings. Corps could improve as the season progressed: practice hard, make adjustments, play their hearts out, strive for perfection .... maybe break through to winning The Big Shows despite their finishes at prior performances. Generational loyalty to a corps. No "corpies" jumping from organization-to-organization in search of titles. Proud of being being vastly different from (and superior to) marching bands - military precision, in-your-face music. We marched - they shuffled, scrambled and danced. Local corps with no corporate financial backing were able to get the community to help them rent two buses and a truck, having a chance at winning important shows and possible titles on the national scene.

I'm heartbroken. Jon and I were in the same section all three years he marched SCV (2nd bari in 85 and 86, lead in 87). I can't say we were blood brothers or anything, as he was part of a tight-knit group of people from Washington. Still, I always respected him for being rock-solid as a marcher and player, for always being level-headed (although he got as fired-up as anybody when it was time to), and for never ever appointing himself hero. A true leader by example. That may seem like faint praise, but I've found that his combination of smarts, skill, and egolessness is all too rare. Fortunately I got to spend some time with him in Pasadena in 2007 as well as virtually through DCP and Facebook. Farewell my friend. The 1986 SCV 2nd baritone line (Jon is 2nd from left)