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Rumors are a certain west coast staff is moving en masse to Pio. They will be bringing Stravinsky with a twist of 80's pop culture nostalgia to the field for Pio's 2020 production "The Rite of Irish Spring". I'm hearing they are shooting to be clean as a whistle.

I mean Sounds like you guys are having a peeing contest and everybody else is getting wet...

You had me at Pizza 🍕

It happened pre-DCI as well. When Garfield released our great percussion instructor, George Tuthill, after the 71 season, a healthy chunk of the drumline went to the Caballeros where he was also the drum guy. I mean....who would want to play in a drumline taught by the new guy named "Fred Sanford". 😲

I'm 61. It's not much fun lifting anything these days.

I think there may be a tiny bit of interest in how this is legally resolved.

GH has already settled a case with YEA that alleged wrongful termination, withheld compensation, etc. Assuming YEA has competent lawyers, they likely required him to release all claims as a condition of receiving that settlement. I doubt there's going to be any more between him and YEA.

Odds that 2020 Phantom has a long-### mello sustain?

Sounds great. A drunken cowgirl with a gun. Duck and cover in row one.

The Crownies won’t be happy that’s for sure! We heard the whining about Boston! Time to get out the hankies.

I believe there was a cause and effect.

Excuse me but is any of that going on in this thread? No. The drama seems to be coming from those trying to say naming names on staff changes or speaking of a rumor is tantamount to treason. It's silly. It's a small fringe activity and this message board is an even smaller even less important sub-set of that. Quit making this out to be equivalent to Russia farking around in the US election.

don't worry George. Remember what a capybara is. On the DCI corps announcement page, Music City cites something that will surely distract your fencing partner Cappybara when they suggest a "Salute to Rodentia." "and are perfect for the ensemble thinking of doing their own salute to rodentia." MUSICCITYDRUMCORPS.ORG

Yes, and? If you were advocating that pizza is the best food to exist and then I saw you eating pizza, would you not find it weird if I came up to you and said "ah, now I see why you're so pro-pizza!"

1. no TV; people listened to radio to distract/entertain them. (no cell phones or computers either.) 2. no air-conditioning for the common masses 3. patriotism was high and crowd seeking cheap entertainment as nation was just coming out of throes of The Great Depression which was not fully overcome until WWII (check any history or economics faculty at any institution of higher learning.) 4. Montreal and Buffalo crowds have been the largest for DCI era; density of population in the Northeast may be a factor as well.

I think this chart by Holsinger would make for a great Cadets show. Edit: This is a neat version of the Holsinger work (On The Grand Prairie Texas). I like the photo montage throughout.

Hey, everyone is allowed their opinion. I love the Bluecoats, as you all know, so I loved Tilt. And I especially like that you enjoyed them a lot. Great show! It certainly was vintage Bluecoats with some game-changing design (along with BD, of course). But one thing to remember about that show is that it spent most of the summer in 3rd place under Cadets and Blue Devils. BD was not getting beat. I saw that early on. Cadets were a real disappointment to me because they had the seeds for a good show, with great talent; but somehow they managed to destroy it with cheese and more cheese. Cadets still beat Bluecoats at Quarterfinals by 1.1 or something like that. At semis it was closer. At Finals is when Tilt grabbed 2nd place. I was thankful the judges bumped 'Coats up a notch. Tilt definitely belonged in 2nd place. Cadets could easily have been dumped to 4th if you ask me. I actually thought that on Finals night Carolina Crown should have jumped up to 3rd.

1! E=MC2- I had actually seen a production of Einstein on the Beach years before Crown did it. I thought No Facking way Crown can pull this off. THEY DID! What a unique incredible show! One of my top 12 corps of all time. Also Sprach Zarathustra * Einstein on the Beach * Walking With Heroes * The Devil's Bridge * The Abyss * The Light Fantastic * The Dark Side of the Moon 2. Down Side Up - Just a fun exciting show full of unforgettable moments. 3. Babylon - It was good to see SCV back on top. ( Those of us who remember the 70's and 80's) 4. Between Angels and Demons- Sacktig's kaleidoscopic drill, Good vs Evil and, a fun fan friendly show. Can't beat that! 5. Metamorph- I remember watching the 1975 and 1976 Blue Devils, Thinking Wow, This corps is next level. I hope they stick around. It was great to see them pay homage to their pass. 6. Through a FellINKiesque Ghostlit Cabaret- Good but Formulaic Drum Corps.

Yeah, why not? Everyone is doing it now. Yawn.

INT has been placing between 7th and 6th in finals for some time now. I predict they will hold that position in 2020.

As maybe the biggest Crown honk here... Yes, I was disappointed with those two results. No, I don't think they were "ripped off". Judges have their opinions and preferences. Sometimes they align with mine, sometimes they don't. There is no such thing as objective scoring in drum corps. It's all just opinions.

Spaghetti Western staring Calamity Jane!

Is it really true that Vanguard has replaced its brass staff with much of Crown?!

Can the personal attacks between posters please stop. It is getting way out of hand.

Not as overdue as this one. Passed just this past June. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/445519-texas-lawmakers-pass-bill-criminalizing-groping

Thank goodness, I can look forward to less (or hopefully no more) condescension from you now

no I don't remember - probably didn't read it... I also don't remember a "personal attack" on you - if you felt attacked, I apologize. I'm just putting you back on ignore where you belong *in my opinion. You don't have the experience to know what you don't know - for that I give you a pass. Take care & I hope your school year goes well, G.

Good point. Craft-brew pint curls are still on the exercise agenda.

It comes off as “I know something you don’t. Neener neener poo poo kaka head” Not to mention these are human beings who probably worked very hard and have pride in their efforts, posters in this thread don’t take that into account. The amount of factors that should go into the retention and/or discontinuance of a staff person should not only be based on the placement of a corps. What if the program coordinator is a bad communicator? Is that why a visual designer gets fired? What if the talent level is low? Is that why a tech is not be brought back? Should either of those lead to an end of a career? I’ve seen, in other threads, talented individuals get trashed for something they did years ago. Can’t we give the benefit of doubt that people can grow the same way we expect growth in all aspects of life? We are a tough judgemental crowd sometimes.

Except one of these lovelies. 🍺 🍻

After Labor Day. Regarding naming names, some people seem to have names, and some are pretty credible people. That being said, if you look at this thread or others similar to it, info from credible sources often turns out to be very wrong, and posters are left with egg on their faces. 🍳

Whether people from SCV go to Phantom has a great deal to do with how potential staff from SCV uses the first year at Phantom. You cite Boston Crusaders as an example. A great staff was assembled. It seems as if a good number of color guard members followed staff. With musicians there is no question the staff attracted many, and convinced some of the younger members from 2016 who had potential and thought of auditioning elsewhere to audition for BAC. Some just aged out this past year. I’ve never seen numbers to know how many went from Cadets to BAC, nor have I seen numbers of percussionists who marched with U Mass. Though audition numbers were excellent for the 2017 season, I think it was 2018 and more so in 2019 that Boston Crusaders was viewed as a destination corps. So what new staff does in the first year will be critical. It will be a challenge too. 2019’s 4-6 will be hungry to make the top three in 2020, 1-3 will not want to lose ground.

Remember when Jeff Ream said on the Cadets thread that you're doing the most out of anyone to stoke the flames? He was totally correct (then again, when is he not?). Give it a rest and let people be. If the mods have an issue, theyll take care of it. They already took care of your personal attack on me in the Cadets thread.

Then would ensue the great DCP debate: Sally's or Pepe's??? New Haven or New York or Tchicago?

time to bring back Danville and Mt. Carmel!

then it will interfere with the parades that DCI drum corps no longer do...Spring Training and all.

Pretty soon DCA finals will be on Memorial Day weekend.

Here's the link on DCA's website to the I&E and mini corps schedules (four pdf docs): https://dcacorps.org/ie-2019-schedules/ And this is the line-up for the mini corps specifically: 8:15 PM Free Players 8:30 PM Warriors 8:45 PM Tri-Valley Brass 9:00 PM Sine Wave 9:15 PM Bridgemen 9:30 PM Brig Juice 9:45 PM Freelancers 10:00 PM Star United With scores to be announced at 10:30 p.m.

This is just impossible for me. Same as it was for 2nd and 3rd place. Too many fantastic and legendary shows. a) In terms of technical excellence and killer performance levels, it would be Felliniesque by the Blue Devils 2014. I was fascinated by the show, found it very entertaining, and the demand and performance levels are simply through the roof. b) In terms of my personal Favorite, it's a close call, but I choose Metamorph by Blue Devils, 2017. In some ways, their show this year (Ghostlight) was even better designed and just as entertaining, but there was something about Metamorph that grabbed me...like an addictive drug. I could not stop watching that show all summer. Carolina Crown in 2013 (E=mc2) is a close 2nd, and Down Side Up by the Bluecoats 2016 is a really close 3rd. So from an entertainment perspective, this is how I rank them: (and may be subject to change in 10 minutes) Metamorph (Blue Devils 2017) E=mc2 (Carolina Crown 2013) Down Side Up (Bluecoats 2016) Between Angels and Demons (Cadets 2011) - maybe the best traditional drill and music show with no props of this bunch. Ink (Blue Devils 2015) - incredible design, entertaining, great theme, and the ballad and the closer are worth the price of admission Ghostlight (Blue Devils 2019) - amazing design, and I am still watching this thing constantly. So impressive. Felliniesque (Blue Devils 2014) - definitely the most technically excellent show that was also quite entertaining. The most amazing Finals performance ever. Babylon (Santa Clara Vanguard 2018) - SCV was ON FIRE with this show! Love the visual design and how the props were used. The last 2 minutes are super powerful. One of the better endings in DCI History. Through a Glass, Darkly (Blue Devils 2010) - I was one of the few who really liked this show. When I saw them live I thought the mirrors were used so well and did add a cool effect to the visual program in ways I had never seen before. Cabaret Voltaire (Blue Devils 2012) - Definitely respect this show, and the corps was fantastic. Just not my favorite design by BD, but I am sure to others this is a masterpiece.

As a fellow Bari called it, that Chinese beer “Ying Ling”.... lager is my fav unless I can get Labatts...

Someone did it last year at BOA. I think it was Tarpon Springs. Looked like a pain in the ### to me.

Other reports disagree and are CONTRA-indicated. But if true, then the snacks and happy hour should be marvelous.

Rumor is that the DCA change for Finals' schedule off Sunday has nothing to do with Dorian but that Willie-burg hotels are needed for DCI corps' CEOs and teams of legal assistants and celebrity agents to dot the i's and cross the t's of all those staff change contracts before Announcement Tuesday. As in previous recent seasons, my agent says there is still a hang-up on which corps will provide my preferred Dino feed and rest home rehab to the standards to which I have grown accustomed. But we'll figure it out before Annie Tue gets here.

Whatever Tilts your boat, whether Downside or Up.

Yea maybe saying any other year was out there lol. I dont think it beats Babylon in 2018. But I do think Tilt would have won in 2013. Now I will go enter the witness protection program to hide from Crown fans.

1. INK - people hype up Inferno as the magical show as it was definitely the crowd favorite that year. But to me, this was the magical show, the one that had a storybook finish and all came together at just the right time. The ballad to the end was drum corps perfection 2. Cabaret Voltaire - severly underappreciated by the common fan, I'm still amazed by this show every time I watch it 3. Felliniesque - I doubt we'll see a show as clean and seamless ever again. Wish the ballad was longer 4. Babylon - the hornline just had an "it" factor and Shaw just outdid himself. Probably the strongest corps to beat BD this decade. 5. Ghostlight - the ballad is worth the price of admission alone 6. Between Angels and Demons - visual candy, I found the last third of the show to be somewhat uninteresting musically though 7. Metamorph - if the pacing of this show wasn't so lethargic, it would be towards the top of this list. Ballad is to die for 8. Through a Glasa, Darkly - the hornline 9. E= MC^2 - when I first got into drum corps, this was my favorite show ever. Looking back at it, it was a great show but didn't have the "sizzle" 10. Down Side Up - this is still a show I really love but if I have to compare it to other 1st place shows, it falls short. Dirtiest champion in probably more than a decade (with PR 2008 being the last one) and the uniforms were just 😕 Musically great though and I'm glad Bloo got back to actively using the best tool in a drum corps toolbox: trumpet screamers

Longtime DCP member Bruckner8, who I believe has done some teaching for Bluecoats, wrote this on June 1, 2016: "What to expect from Bloo 2016: Some old school, some compulsories, and some game-changers."

Algernon Bomb!

Aww c”mon Jeff. (Insert beating dead horse emoji) I must say, this brought a few tears to my eyes. a message to the MMs of 2019 Regiment: SUTA I am so proud of each and EVERY one of you. moderators, if I did something wrong by attaching this, please pull my post. Thank you